Fantastic FW 190 video

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

lol mine is a very narrow point of view? Since when preservation of original, unique pieces of history is being considered narrow viewed?
I do understand why you want that plane to be up in the sky again, but believe me, it's not feasible and it will never happen.

I suppose you've seen this video before:

but if you haven't check out how hard it is to crank that machine up.

also, have a read at this for further insight in the story and how much work has been put into it (both right and wrong!)
http://www.indianamilitary.org/Freem...90D13/0118.htm



I'm sorry, but you're telling me that the personal mount of Franz Götz, a Luftwaffe ace with 63 victories and a commander, which he flew until the end of the war and that in addition to that is of an extremely rare breed, doesn't qualify to you as important piece of history?

Would you then fly the BMW engined Ju88 at Hendon or the Me410 at Cosford too?



how do you assume that it's not close to the real deal? is it in terms of handling? Sound? manoeuvrability? Or is it just that fetishism you were blaming me of? The funniest thing is that I could take you to a flight line with Allison and Merlin powered P-40s and trust me, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference by just hearing them.
The Jumo engine sounds pretty much like a DB605, with the typical "turbo whine" and a low grumble tone, one wouldn't probably be able to tell the difference between a Ju88 and a Fw190D engine running.
You don't seem to have an understanding of the conception of safety, to you the importance of flying a rare machine just because you want it overcomes anything else. That's not the right mentality my friend

Once again, you find a FW190 frame, or a Stuka, or a Sturmovik one that is incomplete and can come back to the sky? Cool! But flying such a genuine wartime machine is criminal.

Oh Stern, oh stern. Up until this post I took your opinion seriously. Now it degenerated to polemics and your absolute will to force your understanding of the issues onto others. Pity, was really a nice debate.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Oh Stern, oh stern. Up until this post I took your opinion seriously. Now it degenerated to polemics and your absolute will to force your understanding of the issues onto others. Pity, was really a nice debate.

it's a shame man, I was trying to make a point and that's the same one I've been talking about all the way through. I respect you and would care to read your answer to my post if you have the time (or will).

[bongodriver]

I'm really stuck half way on this....

Stern I get what you are saying man.....it's like killing the last Dodo just to see what it tastes like.........but then there is a stuffed Dodo in a museum.....but does the stuffed museum Dodo really convey what a Dodo was? they used to live and breathe, eat and sleep and do all kinds of wonderfull Dodo stuff, which is Bewolfs point, the museum piece is dead and lifeless and really just a mock up of the real thing, a flying example would be a magical thing to see (the aircraft not the Dodo) but it's the last one.....what to do?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

I'm really stuck half way on this....

Stern I get what you are saying man.....it's like killing the last Dodo just to see what it tastes like.........but then there is a stuffed Dodo in a museum.....but does the stuffed museum Dodo really convey what a Dodo was? they used to live and breathe, eat and sleep and do all kinds of wonderfull Dodo stuff, which is Bewolfs point, the museum piece is dead and lifeless and really just a mock up of the real thing, a flying example would be a magical thing to see (the aircraft not the Dodo) but it's the last one.....what to do?

Well, your comparison doesn't quite work because it's a living thing which is gonna die at some point anyway, but if it didn't, just clone it, like you can clone a genuine plane and make a fully working replica.

As you know yourself, flying warbirds of today are mostly "replicas" anyway, most of the original components are refurbished/changed/removed for the sake of safety. Why doing that to an original when you can have a replica of it and not be too worried if it gets damaged or lost?

[bongodriver]

it was more an analogy than a comparison Stern.......I'm sure most people got it.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

it was more an analogy than a comparison Stern.......I'm sure most people got it.

yeah man, I know, and I suppose my idea of cloning it still stands, doesn't it?

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

yeah man, I know, and I suppose my idea of cloning it still stands, doesn't it?

even if it's a clone the Dodo is a real Dodo....just not the same Dodo.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

it's a shame man, I was trying to make a point and that's the same one I've been talking about all the way through. I respect you and would care to read your answer to my post if you have the time (or will).

Yeah, we've been there and I think it just goes in circles now anyways. Saying a Merlin and a DB605 sounds the same...dunno what to make of that. Makes me wonder if you ever visited an airshow. And the heck, hearing a Jumo in flight would be a first in two generations, and you say an Allision does as fine? And if it does not matter to you, then why this focus on correct restaurations? I simply lost you between this and your crime accusations.
Then again this topic seriously is not important enough to put so much energy into it. I think we have a very different understanding what defines value, or how it is expressed.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Yeah, we've been there and I think it just goes in circles now anyways. Saying a Merlin and a DB605 sounds the same...dunno what to make of that. Makes me wonder if you ever visited an airshow.

wait a second, I haven't said that lol and believe me, I've been to a fair amount of airshows in my life, on both sides of the fence

And the heck, hearing a Jumo in flight would be a first in two generations, and you say an Allision does as fine? And if it does not matter to you, then why this focus on correct restaurations? I simply lost you between this and your crime accusations.
Then again this topic seriously is not important enough to put so much energy into it. I think we have a very different understanding what defines value, or how it is expressed.

in terms of making the thing flying there's not much difference, apart for the fact that the Allison is probably more dependable and cheaper to run, but of course, a Jumo would sound very differently, as I mentioned before the whine of the turbine would be quite distinctive, as it is for the DB605. I tell you this: if they wanted to they could install a turbine fan and use it just like the sirens on stukas, and remake a sound very near to the Jumo. What you don't get though is that very few warbird operators are so anal about this kinda stuff. An example: there's an ever growing number of Mustangs that "whistle" now, the cause being the airflow hitting the gun ports and literally working like a whistle. This typical sound became somehow fashionable (probably because of Saving Private Ryan), but it wasn't something you would hear all the time, because gun ports were normally taped to avoid icing, it actually became a distinctive sound for crew chiefs, cos when they heard a Mustang whistling it meant that the pilot had seen some action and shot his guns.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

wait a second, I haven't said that lol and believe me, I've been to a fair amount of airshows in my life, on both sides of the fence



in terms of making the thing flying there's not much difference, apart for the fact that the Allison is probably more dependable and cheaper to run, but of course, a Jumo would sound very differently, as I mentioned before the whine of the turbine would be quite distinctive, as it is for the DB605. I tell you this: if they wanted to they could install a turbine fan and use it just like the sirens on stukas, and remake a sound very near to the Jumo. What you don't get though is that very few warbird operators are so anal about this kinda stuff. An example: there's an ever growing number of Mustangs that "whistle" now, the cause being the airflow hitting the gun ports and literally working like a whistle. This typical sound became somehow fashionable (probably because of Saving Private Ryan), but it wasn't something you would hear all the time, because gun ports were normally taped to avoid icing, it actually became a distinctive sound for crew chiefs, cos when they heard a Mustang whistling it meant that the pilot had seen some action and shot his guns.

What are you suggesting with this post? Just to get that right, we should install sound machines in these replicas to make them sound closer to the original?