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Old 10-18-2011, 04:35 PM
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A tall glass of facts for this man!!
Pffffffffft! LOL!

Nice try, gold star for effort, but no sale
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Old 10-18-2011, 05:08 PM
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Pffffffffft! LOL!

Nice try, gold star for effort, but no sale
Sounds like someones choking on the truth
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Old 10-18-2011, 05:17 PM
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Sounds like someones choking on the truth
So let me see if I can understand your so called logic here

It is Christianity (Judeo Christians) that caused Hitler to do what he did?

Hitler

The guy who killed not only Jews, but all forms of religion that was in competition with the Nazi belief system

Hitler

The German that wanted to and was in the process of creating his 'own' Nazi religion based on some made up wicka form of German tribal history?

Is that what you expect us to belive?

And they say 'we' need a leap of faith! LOL!
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Old 10-18-2011, 05:43 PM
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http://ibnlive.in.com/news/fbi-belie.../148894-2.html

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16090144

well, the Allies knew about the research on nuclear weapons done by the Germans, and I would think it's not like they left the potential escape to the very last minute.. accessing that info in 1943 or 1944 would have been of vital importance for the race to nuclear weapons.

I'm not saying I believe it all of course, but I wouldn't even rule it out completely. The fact still remains that there is nothing that proves that what they found were the rests of Hitler and Eva Braun. The modern forensic evidence gathered by FBI experts seems to tell that the skull bits found do not belong to a man in his late 50s. I am pretty confident that finding a body with a bullet wound to the head wouldn't have been a hard task to accomplish in Berlin in 1945.

As for the witnesses that reported the facts: if they were devoted enough to spend their last days in a bunker with Hitler, I really don't see why the few of them could have as well decided to do their ultimate act of faith and lie about Hitler's fate.

In any case, I do not understand on which basis you lot think this couldn't be even remotely possible.

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Old 10-18-2011, 05:56 PM
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The modern forensic evidence gathered by FBI experts seems to tell that the skull bits found do not belong to a man in his late 50s.

Do you have a link to this report? And to the report which says the teeth the Russians have is not Hitler's?
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:05 PM
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Do you have a link to this report? And to the report which says the teeth the Russians have is not Hitler's?
from good ol' wiki:
"According to the Russian Federal Security Service, a fragment of human skull stored in its archives and displayed to the public in a 2000 exhibition came from Hitler's remains. However, the authenticity of the skull fragment was challenged by historians and researchers,[277] and DNA analysis conducted in 2009 showed the skull fragment to be that of a woman. Analysis of the sutures between the skull plates indicated that it belonged to a 20–40-year-old individual.[278]"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...llet-hole.html

but anyway, if dental records of the high command were destroyed, as per Bormann's 1944 order, how could they say they recognised the rests from their teeth? Bormann's dental record themselves were reconstructed "from memory" by his former dentist to identify his remains.. really guys?
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:18 PM
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but anyway, if dental records of the high command were destroyed, as per Bormann's 1944 order, how could they say they recognised the rests from their teeth? Bormann's dental record themselves were reconstructed "from memory" by his former dentist to identify his remains.. really guys?
Most likely the records were not actually destroyed, that's how.

In any case, the idea that all the witnesses would have carried the lie of Hitler's death to their graves is completely absurd.
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Old 10-18-2011, 05:58 PM
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In any case, I do not understand on which basis you lot think this couldn't be even remotely possible.
Because there were multiple witnesses and the odds that all of them would maintain this lie for the rest of their lives is pretty close to ZERO.
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:17 PM
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Because there were multiple witnesses and the odds that all of them would maintain this lie for the rest of their lives is pretty close to ZERO.
yeah, well you might be aware of the hysterical faith and support the Germans had for Hitler. Do you really think that 20 (I say 20 as a hypothetical number) people couldn't swear on a oath of faith and lie? If you don't believe this is possible then there's no point in continuing this conversation.
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:22 PM
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yeah, well you might be aware of the hysterical faith and support the Germans had for Hitler. Do you really think that 20 (I say 20 as a hypothetical number) people couldn't swear on a oath of faith and lie? If you don't believe this is possible then there's no point in continuing this conversation.
No, I don't believe it for a second. A lie that big would be impossible to keep if there were 3 people who knew the truth, never mind the 20+ who probably knew.

BTW, that "hysterical faith" was long gone by 1945.
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