AMD Bulldozer is here, oops!

[Ze-Jamz]

Oh Dear

[skouras]

[Kodoss]

Wait until the programs are optimized to use the full power of the new AMD-Chips, then we can run real tests on it.

You can have a Lamborghini as a car, but when the settings of the engine (mixture/ignition time) is not correct then it's a pain in the ass.

[Pudfark]

Originally Posted by Kodoss

Wait until the programs are optimized to use the full power of the new AMD-Chips, then we can run real tests on it.

You can have a Lamborghini as a car, but when the settings of the engine (mixture/ignition time) is not correct then it's a pain in the ass.

Which leads to the question?
Will COD be optimized for Bulldozer?

Thanx fer the info Kat...

[Katana1000S]

Originally Posted by Kodoss

Wait until the programs are optimized to use the full power of the new AMD-Chips, then we can run real tests on it.

You can have a Lamborghini as a car, but when the settings of the engine (mixture/ignition time) is not correct then it's a pain in the ass.

You don't honestly think all software companys are going to say, aha, Bulldozer is out lets spend our profit money optimising our software that works just fine on Intel and current gen AMD CPU's for this low selling Bulldozer CPU do you ... not gonna happen mate ... bit of a cop out from AMD too that they say performance of Bulldozer wont work properly until Windows 8.

AMD have delayed and delayed and delayed this chip for what seems like forever now, and now that its here they are saying Piledriver (their next one) will be the Intel killer ... what about all those false claims of massive performance increases over equivalent Intel CPU's they made too, that's just plain dis-honest, people are going to start thinking ... fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

I'm beginning to wonder if this fiasco has anything to do with a top AMD CEO being fired recently ... they say the buck stops at the top.

Dont get me wrong, I own an SB I7 2600K and an I7 920, but I really hoped AMD would come back strong this time the way they did about years ago with the FX64 series and Thunderbird/Athlon stuff, my Nephew is wanting me to build him a new PC I asked him to wait for Bulldozer (because of the claims) but I would be doing him a disservice by building him one of these, pricing up an I5 2500K system for him as I type.

It gives me no pleasure to say, but you must be an AMD fan boy mate or clutching at straws.

[Warhound]

Very painful when a FX-8150 OC'd to 4.8Ghz performs ~25% worse in ARMA II (CPU dependant game) then a i5 2500k at stock speeds, and about 50% worse then a OC'd 2500k...
Doesn't look like they'll do that well in the servermarket either with their high powerusage and mediocre performance.

Pity really as it would be nice to see Intel pressured so Sandy Bridge and Sandy-E/Ivy Bridge CPU's would get pricecuts.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Katana1000S

I recognise a lot of those CPU's in my history, I've actually got a retro P200 build era built up and working (I had slower, dont worry ) with just DOS 6/5 working on it ... I could have retro went a PC with a DX2 66 CPU, but looking back I've got best chance of this retro idea working with a P200, its got 32 MB of ram that was absolutely massive at the time and last time I fired it up it worked.

I'll dig it out again and if their is any interest I'll do a thread about old retro PC flight sim.

I hang on to almost all my old gear, hear is a pic of my current HOTAS collection ... I've given away my Saitek X-52 pro, but in the background you will see my old Thrustmaster F22 pro and TQS for DOS purposes I hope to get working again one day

Wow, that's an impressive collection of former bleeding edge sticks!

Not much into throwing stuff myself either... Still have my Spectrum and 286 in the cellar. Fired them both up last year in a cloud of dust. The speccy worked nice but the image was a bit jagged on a large flat screen tv The problem with getting the 286 to run was to find the 5 ¼ inch disks with something to run. The 20 Mb hard drive just had DOS 3.22



Mazex

[Rattlehead]

I haven't read the reviews yet. but this is what I was afraid of. I was really trying to hold out for Bulldozer, I wanted to believe that AMD could be competitive and maybe superior to Intel's offerings.

But the continual delays and generally bad vibe I was picking up about Bulldozer made me go with Intel, and I feel sorry for those of you who held out for Bulldozer only to find that a good old 2500k/2600k was there to be bought all along.

The problem for AMD is that Sandy Bridge-E and Ivy Bridge are on the horizon. Bulldozer really needs serious stepping to make a challenge.

On the other hand, if AMD can offer a great price/performance ratio as they have done in the past, then they can still be reasonably competitive with Intel, just not in the absolute performance stakes.

[Rattlehead]

Just to add, the problem with multithreading is that for games, four cores is as much as you'll ever need for the next two, maybe three years. Maybe even longer.
There are some games that apparently run a tad better utilising six cores, but the vast majority don't need more than four to run as smooth as silk.

Eight cores? Only if you're heavily into certain mutlithreaded applications (ie. not games) will six cores or more make a difference. For games, it''s basically a waste of time...this is especially true since more than half of PC games are mutliplatform games, meaning that they're also developed with the ancient console architecture in mind.
No developer with half a brain is going to specially bring out a special PC version of that game; it's too costly for very little return. And no game developer at present is going to optimise a game to use eight cores, much for the same reason.

In about 2014 I'll look around for a replacement for my 2500k, but for the next few years, aside from a GPU upgrade, I'm not spending another cent on my machine.

[TonyD]

My biggest disappointment with Zambezi was seeing how poor the single thread performance is, especially compared to the previous generation (Deneb/Thuban) chips. I can accept that the multi-threading capability is a bit ahead of its time, but it’s unacceptable that a new cpu will not perform as well as the ones it replaces in the majority of current (single-threaded) desktop applications. I also do not see how this can be improved without a major re-design of the architecture – the predicted 15% improvement with the next iteration (PileDriver) is still somewhat short of what it needs to be