Steve Jobs just passed away.

[Sammi79]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I'm sorry guys, but your home-made morality is is laughable.

Don't you buy stuff made by the same poor slaves you mentioned, in fact feeding that industry?

Steve Jobs was a true innovator, a genius that introduced a new approach to IT that others copied but struggled to deliver. He was also a human being, so surely he wasn't perfect, but his visionary approach inspired a technology leap that can't be dismissed as "little toys", people that do that are like the bigots who laughed at Montgolfier or Wright brothers.

If you understand this then you understand what his loss means, otherwise there's really no point. Whichever the case, have some respect and go post somewhere else.

I must disagree here. There is not one technological idea or gui system created by apple that can claim to be original. They copied others in the first place. Steve Jobbs primary skill was marketeering, not 'innovation' as you put it. When Bill Gates goes, people will have real reason to be sympathetic, particularly certain charities etc... So sad as it is when anyone passes before their time, what was so great about this man? the fact that he managed to create an elitist market for plums who pay the ridiculous inflated price believing they have something better or more original than any other equatable competing product, because they paid 3 times as much for it? Very clever yes, admirable, I don't think so.

Sammi79 hit the nail on the head!

Steve is in the 0.1% of the richest people in the world and has given nothing back. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are real innovators who have pledged to give billions of dollars they do not need to help make the world a better place.

[addman]

As I mentioned before, it's probably a tough time for his family and friends (real ones that is). Was he innovative? For sure! Nobody had come up with the idea for selling computers/home electronics for at least twice as much as their competitors before.

Seriously though, Apple has always overcharged for their products but at least in the 90's when I bought my PowerMac G3 (beige) for 1800€ (without a monitor) one could at least say that the hardware/software was proprietary. Now the hardware is the same as any other run of the mill PC but they are still overcharging for it, no wonder they're making boatloads of money. The macs these days are over-priced PC's with inferior hardware and Linux as OS, well built? yes! Worth the price tag? IMO never.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

Sammi79 hit the nail on the head!

Steve is in the 0.1% of the richest people in the world and has given nothing back. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are real innovators who have pledged to give billions of dollars they do not need to help make the world a better place.

He didn't,did he?
Didnt know u worked as his accountant.. If you can't understand the essence of his persona from the articles below, then you're hopeless at understanding one of the most brilliant minds of our century..

http://www.maclife.com/article/news/...s_charity_work

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larahoff...of-steve-jobs/

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/...public-giving/

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Sammi79

I must disagree here. There is not one technological idea or gui system created by apple that can claim to be original. They copied others in the first place. Steve Jobbs primary skill was marketeering, not 'innovation' as you put it. When Bill Gates goes, people will have real reason to be sympathetic, particularly certain charities etc... So sad as it is when anyone passes before their time, what was so great about this man? the fact that he managed to create an elitist market for plums who pay the ridiculous inflated price believing they have something better or more original than any other equatable competing product, because they paid 3 times as much for it? Very clever yes, admirable, I don't think so.

..seriously?! Do you know how many US patents Jobs owned as inventor of co-inventor? More than 300. Who do you think your beloved Gates stole his concepts and ideas from?!

It's shocking to see how you really believe in the philanthropic machine set up by Gates, who's a $59 billion man, as opposed to Jobs, who was "only" $8 billion, and according to many sources did a lot of charity donations without the glam of Gates and his wife..

Uh and regarding all the accusations of slave labour, welcome to the world of capitalism.. Do you really think they had an agenda for slave labour, or that Microsoft didn't receive similar allegations?

You wise guys remind me of this genius here:

[Sammi79]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

..seriously?! Do you know how many US patents Jobs owned as inventor of co-inventor? More than 300. Who do you think your beloved Gates stole his concepts and ideas from?!

It's shocking to see how you really believe in the philanthropic machine set up by Gates, who's a $59 billion man, as opposed to Jobs, who was "only" $8 billion, and according to many sources did a lot of charity donations without the glam of Gates and his wife..

Uh and regarding all the accusations of slave labour, welcome to the world of capitalism.. Do you really think they had an agenda for slave labour, or that Microsoft didn't receive similar allegations?

You wise guys remind me of this genius here:

Just because he owned the patents does not mean he invented them. How do you think Gates was able to steal the ideas if they were legally owned by someone else? How many patents for clean technologies are 'owned' by the oil men? give me 1 example of a technology or system that is original and from his brain. touch screens? no. GUIs? no. err... what then?

I don't believe in Gates philanthropic machine, but I do believe in his verified donations to charity as well as publicly speaking out about issues that effect us all and are obviously important to him, so according to your many sources... link please. And those links you did post? well they all imply that he gave nothing to charity. Honestly, Bono and a Hedge fund manager?

I have been bombarded today by many people expressing their blind love for Jobs and his empire, every single forum I look at has an identical post, facebook no less than 7 friends etc... Apples marketing dept. really did a number on a lot of folks huh? get things in perspective. Or alternatively just insult us 'wise guys' if it makes you feel better. Flame me all you want, go on, prove to me that you were sold on that iCrap, Hook, line and sinker. My views on Apple and their products are based on personal experience, not bigoted prejudice.

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