New patch Revi gun sight vs old

[Codex]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

And obviously they hence could not lean to the right side even if they had to (their nose would have been in their way) - which they did not. This again shows clearly why we need binocular view for revi sights (particularly for those gunsights that are off centre) and not monocular as we have now.

See this thread:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...278#post270278

This is how it should look like. The explanation is a bit misleading. Actually as the right eye fully gets the image of the whole circle (when looking with the right eye throught the sight) the brain just superimposes the image seen by the right eye to that seen by the left side. So even if only the right eye looks through the gunsight the pilot still would see the whole circle and not half of what we have now. (it's not that suddenly by looking with one eye only through the gunsight the left side of the right eye would have gone blind ...)

Thats why the German sights were predominantly off centre so the pilot could steady himself more, well that's what I've read.

But the problem we have here is that we're flying a simulator based on a 2D image (i.e. the screen image). To get same effect you would need to go to the lengths of building an actual cockpit or get those stereoscopic glasses.

[Redroach]

Without further looking, I voted "the new one". Just out of principle, in order to annoy the graphX whiners who made us pay so dearly in this game...

Same goes for any future polls on graphics - I'll vote "keep", no matter what, until the important issues are fixed.

P.S.: And, judging from the results, you won't get your way right now. Hehe. The good thing about polls is: You can vote only once, whereas you are free to to open x threads like "omfgz0r, the texture on the leather cushion in the Me109 is too lime-brown!!!!111" (The real cushions had the usual german quality assurance sticker: 'Leather is a natural material. Any deviation from a given shade of brown is not a sign of a faulty product. Reports on this WILL result in an investigation by the GeStaPo').

[Sternjaeger II]

guys, guys, hang on a second... here are two videos I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXsVg...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=EayasHQYEGM

the curious thing is that when moving the camera back the reticle will look to increase in size, but when zooming out it will stay the same size..

I wonder if it's a camera thing then.. Last time I lit up the GGS gunsight I have to show it to a friend I vividly remember how the perception of the gunsight reticle was the same, the only thing changing was the clearance around it. It's like saying to watch the same image through a camera diaphragm that opens up when you move closer and gets narrower when you move back, but the reticle size stays the same. I will try my other RAF gunsight at home over the weekend and will let you know (and possibly make a video too!)


Uh and the pads were not meant to allow pilots to put their face on it, they were just crash pads.

[GraveyardJimmy]

Just a note on the German sights- if you find the reticule too bright, make sure you dont toggle illumination, but instead increase it. Unlike the British planes (iirc) there is a slider, so you can have brightness at about 5% at night, for example.

Originally Posted by Codex

Thats why the German sights were predominantly off centre so the pilot could steady himself more, well that's what I've read.

But the problem we have here is that we're flying a simulator based on a 2D image (i.e. the screen image). To get same effect you would need to go to the lengths of building an actual cockpit or get those stereoscopic glasses.

Actually I think Lixma's proposed solution would be not too far off what a German pilot would have seen. For convenience I repost it here. Remember: When looking through the recticle with the right eye the right eye will see the full image of the circle (the right eye won't suddenly turn blind on its left side just because if looks through a recticle). The left eye being open will see what the left eye will see. The brain always superimposes both images and merges it to one so that as a consequence a German pilot would see the full circle over the point at which he looks with both eyes. So I think Lixma's image is quite right and would be anyway much more realistic that what we have now so implementing this would be moving in the right direction.

[CWMV]

That just looks funky. Honestly I don't have any problem with the current Revi. Just lean over.

Well a lot of ppl have problems with the revi. Particularly because it is unrealistic.
You consider it funky because in daily life you do not have experience with a revi. But for pilots it was not funky. And only because you do not have this experience (with all respect here dont get me wrong) it does not mean that it is wrong. It is in fact just a matter of understanding and seeing the truthfulness in it and then get used to it.

As it is currently it is
- unrealistic
- for others maybe acceptable
- for many difficult


With proposed solution it would be
- realistic
- for the many no longer difficult and still acceptable for the others as functionality would remain and even improve
- it may though look funky to some who have some difficulties understanding the concept of binocular view.

So summa summarum new proposed solution offers more advantages AND is more realistic.

[TomcatViP]

My guess is that instead of making some kircky request we shld instead wait for devs to complete the game following their own idea. This will prevent from having a patchwork for game with some feature à la IL2 1946 and some in the path of CoD high reality standards.

Let them do what they think first.

Storm the image you posted does not fit what i see in RL. Both left and right eyes has some overlapping due to facial geo.

Where is Raaid, our expert in that field ?

[CWMV]

Dude, it looks like garbage.

Above all else this is a game.
Do what you will, have all sorts of great sounds, simulated controls, even simulated feeling with something like a buttkicker and trackIR, its still a simulation. trying to take the complexities of something like human vision and make it absolutely realistic is impossible, and if you try to hard it looks just like that, your trying to hard.

Oh and spare me your holier than thou attitude. You post around here like your excrement doesn't reek. "Not understanding binocular vision" buddy, I've got many, MANY years of working with optical sights for everything from pistols and rifles to mortars, Abrams and Brad's, and if you really tried to model the way it looks to the eye it would look like utter garbage in game. its getting closer and closer to asking for a solid dot in the center of the screen that never moves and is 100% accurate like the old shooters.

Trust this, I understand binocular vision, professor, I just think it will look like crap in game.

Everything in this game is a compromise to bring the real, 3d-6-senses world onto a relatively small 2d monitor. Its impossible to model everything, more than that it is folly.

The revi sits off center-as it did in the real bird.
The reticle is there, all you have to do is lean to the left, or use the gunsite view. That's what its there for.

if you are REALLY so put out by something as really truly minor as this minutiae then perhaps a sim like FSX is more up your ally?

You, and all the color gripers, are complaining about the scratches on the head of a rivet in the prop spinner when the aircraft is missing the whole tail section.

For now, if you want a centered gunsite, fly a freakin' Spitfire!
Whatever, I'm out.

someone got really upset.

And please do not lecture me where my priorities are with respect to the game - I know them better than you - trust me.

Now you may refuse to have something that is to your eyes garbage - for others it may just look not as garbage.

Fact is current solution is not realistic and more difficult to use.

But if you have a better solution that is more realistic and easy to use just make it known to everybody. But please spare us with this "just lean to the right" I have enough experience with this "leaning to the right" that I know that it cannot be the solution. Until you bring up a more suitable solution you just sound with your negative attitude like those guys some centuries ago that also thought that the image of an Earth being actually round was looking garbage.