The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[bongodriver]

You've been called names? Seriously...grow a pair and man up, take a look back at some of the crap that got flung my way.

Quit with all this island banjo crap, are you a historian or a psychologist, read the original topic and answer me why us island rednecks have had to endure 30 odd pages of insults against our nation and a denial of any achievement, some have suggested we should let it go because it's history........doesn't
Seem to apply to you though.

My getting boring comment was just sarcasm, but if you want to make an island mentality issue out of it what can I do.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

You've been called names? Seriously...grow a pair and man up, take a look back at some of the crap that got flung my way.

grow a pair? man up? Seriously Bongo?
Besides, was it me flinging that crap at you?

Quit with all this island banjo crap, are you a historian or a psychologist, read the original topic and answer me why us island rednecks have had to endure 30 odd pages of insults against our nation and a denial of any achievement, some have suggested we should let it go because it's history........doesn't
Seem to apply to you though.

I wasn't insulting your nation, I was just trying to give an assessment that I know would have proven unpopular among the average Briton. I care about the objectiveness of history, not the nationalistic takes on it. Unfortunately I'm afraid that's all you can do instead.

My getting boring comment was just sarcasm, but if you want to make an island mentality issue out of it what can I do.

yeah, you see sarcasm the way is used in Britain is considered out of place in many other cultures. Just because we speak your language it doesn't mean that we also think like you do.

[Bewolf]

NP Stern. My gripe with this thread is not the pride of british nationals for the war and the conduct of the people living on the british isles at that time, it's simply the expectation that those very tight and focused views on these events are being taken as a matter of course in an international forum. That is a bit of a pretentious attitude, especially given the fact that any views differing from the british mainstream are reinterpretated as offensive and a direct assault on british achievements.

[bongodriver]

My issue is that I got called a Nationalist after my first post because I just said the english channel was a weak excuse for the LW performance in the BOB.

My blood began to boil when this post was alowed to go without challenge...

After Dunkirk you didn't had more left but tea to offer!!
Otherwise why should Churchill Lend & Lease some 50 war weary US Destroyers?
Ah yes because you ran out even on tea.
And your British Army sucked on every major Battle until the USA showed up at the ETO, the same is for the PTO!
But that's maybe because they didn't had allways Canadians and Australians on their side, they know how to fight!

No apparently I have no right to be insulted, because I'm not allowed to assciate myself with my contry's past....unless it's about something bad the Brits did.....go figure.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

My issue is that I got called a Nationalist after my first post because I just said the english channel was a weak excuse for the LW performance in the BOB.

My blood began to boil when this post was alowed to go without challenge...



No apparently I have no right to be insulted, because I'm not allowed to assciate myself with my contry's past....unless it's about something bad the Brits did.....go figure.

I dare say it was challenged quite massively enough =)

You are right, posts like those are uncalled for, to be expected in such a debate but uncalled for nevertheless. Best course of action here is to ignore them and concentrate on
substance, else everything goes down the drain.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

I dare say it was challenged quite massively enough =)

You are right, posts like those are uncalled for, to be expected in such a debate but uncalled for nevertheless. Best course of action here is to ignore them and concentrate on
substance, else everything goes down the drain.

This I genuinely agree with too, and I am not denying getting a little hot heade at times.....more a symptom of being human than British.

[Sternjaeger II]

look at us, still debating over this at 9am!! Aren't we a sad bunch?!

time for a black coffee me thinks!

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

My issue is that I got called a Nationalist after my first post because I just said the english channel was a weak excuse for the LW performance in the BOB.

My blood began to boil when this post was alowed to go without challenge...



No apparently I have no right to be insulted, because I'm not allowed to assciate myself with my contry's past....unless it's about something bad the Brits did.....go figure.

It was an uncalled for post, but as you know I can only guarantee for my own posts, not others'. I hope you're not comparing my approach to that one though.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Well I'm awfully sorry about that....it's mainly a symptom of having preserved our culture by not being beaten in conflict and assimilated into another, but you are apparently a master theorist on what the British mentality is....yet I just had to explain that one to you.

I would look at a foreigner's perspective on my country as a refreshing and new one, not necessarily a negative one: as much as I mentioned negative chapters of your history, I also mentioned glorious ones. The reaction I got instead is similar to someone that knows his past is imperfect and gets all aggressive when mentioned.

Let's not be naive, there's no perfect country out there, we all come from somewhere where someone at some point said "mmmh I think we screwed this up a lil bit".

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

It was an uncalled for post, but as you know I can only guarantee for my own posts, not others'. I hope you're not comparing my approach to that one though.



I would look at a foreigner's perspective on my country as a refreshing and new one, not necessarily a negative one. The reaction I got instead is similar to someone that knows his past is imperfect and gets all aggressive when mentioned.

Let's not be naive, there's no perfect country out there, we all come from somewhere where someone at some point said "mmmh I think we screwed this up a lil bit".

Again I will stress there are no denials of any conduct good or bad from my part, I just don't get the point of all this revision on a past achievement, what was wrong with the established theory, why are people using so much of their time on this, will the world be a better place?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Again I will stress there are no denials of any conduct good or bad from my part, I just don't get the point of all this revision on a past achievement, what was wrong with the established theory, why are people using so much of their time on this, will the world be a better place?

Yes, actually, I do think the world will be a better place if you take other perspectives but your own at least into consideration. The planet is growing awfully small at an ever greater pace, and our example here alone speaks volumes about different nationalities having ever more discourse. The times of comfy nationalities only caring for their own are coming to a dead end, in the modern world that means, in the best case, stagnation and losing attachment to the rest of the world, in the worst one it is potentially dangerous.