The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[bongodriver]

yeah, you see sarcasm the way is used in Britain is considered out of place in many other cultures. Just because we speak your language it doesn't mean that we also think like you do.

Well I'm awfully sorry about that....it's mainly a symptom of having preserved our culture by not being beaten in conflict and assimilated into another, but you are apparently a master theorist on what the British mentality is....yet I just had to explain that one to you.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Well I'm awfully sorry about that....it's mainly a symptom of having preserved our culture by not being beaten in conflict and assimilated into another, but you are apparently a master theorist on what the British mentality is....yet I just had to explain that one to you.

Hope you are aware that others could regard such a matter of fact as "stagnation". And if you go by history, this very attitude usually preludes a negative development in a nations fortunes. It seriously is not 1945 anymore, regardless of what Rupert Murdoch says.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

My take on Bungay is because in the world of academia he isn't (yet) considered worth mentioning, and even if my ideas seem to agree more with him than with James Holland (but then again it was semantics, Dutch or whoever it was picked strategically short sentences and put them out of context), I still don't repute his approach an academic one.

This seems to confirm what I've suspected for a while, i.e. you don't appear to have read Bungay's book.

Consequently your opinions of Bungay's book are not your own and are based on the opinions of others.

Regurgitation of hearsay is no different whatsoever to propaganda in this context and also demostrates a good deal of bias.

Given the above quote, I'm also beginning to wonder whether you've read James Holland's book also, which you advocated as being 'the definitive book'. More hearsay?

Your 'historical references' so far in this thread seem to come from either Wikipedia or a bonus DVD. Surprising from one who considers himself a member of the historical acadaemia.

I'd be happy to stand corrected of course.

Sorry folks, this is a bit out of context from the way the thread has progressed.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

This seems to confirm what I've suspected for a while, i.e. you don't appear to have read Bungay's book.

Consequently your opinions of Bungay's book are not your own and are based on the opinions of others.

Regurgitation of hearsay is no different whatsoever to propaganda in this context and also demostrates a good deal of bias.

Given the above quote, I'm also beginning to wonder whether you've read James Holland's book also, which you advocated as being 'the definitive book'. More hearsay?

Your 'historical references' so far in this thread seem to come from either Wikipedia or a bonus DVD. Surprising from one who considers himself a member of the historical acadaemia.

I'd be happy to stand corrected of course.

Sorry folks, this is a bit out of context from the way the thread has progressed.

I have indeed, in fact my Bungay's copy is signed as well, it was a present from a friend who works at a bookshop where Bungay made a presentation, otherwise I don't think I would have ever read it. It's enjoyably well written, but it lacks on some points (I have jumped on a couple of chapter I have to admit), and even if you might think that his conclusions are similar to mine, this doesn't make his book a better source for a reliable reference.

Holland's book I bought personally the first week it came out, and albeit being a much harder one to read, I find it more complete and complying to the academic standards of a reliable history books. His conclusions are his own, not mine or someone elses.

You can appreciate that the Wikipedia references that I posted are ALL sourced from, and the DVD I mentioned was just an example that you're taking out of context.

I also mentioned Winston Churchill and Harris, but that must have gone past..

don't remember seeing much posted by you in terms of sources.. oh yes, cos you shared your own opinions, like the rest of us.

This whole thread is getting an immature twist driven by some obtuse nationalistic pride, which has NOTHING to do with the original thread.

[bongodriver]

Stearn....have you read 'fighter boys' by Patric Bishop?, I just got it and haven't read it yet, what is your oppinion on this book?

[Sternjaeger II]

I'm a victim of the same compulsory "buy a book and read it later" syndrome, got so many I have haven't read yet!

I have the book in paperback, but never got around to read it, why?

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I'm a victim of the same compulsory "buy a book and read it later" syndrome, got so many I have haven't read yet!

I have the book in paperback, but never got around to read it, why?

No particular reason really, I don't have a great library, most of my books are reference material and not historical analysis, the few I do have I haven't read, I am not a great one for reading that type of stuff....I even have a signed copy of 'tumult in the clouds' that I never finished (Reason I have a signed copy is that James Goodson was a patient of my farther)

Despite our differences, you may still give me an isight to what it may be all about...

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Stearn....have you read 'fighter boys' by Patric Bishop?, I just got it and haven't read it yet, what is your oppinion on this book?

Sorry Bongo, not directed at me, but I have.

Fighter Boys - Patrick Bishop - Published by Harper- Collins:

Page 404 para3;
''Fighter Command dealt Hitler's forces the first defeat they had suffered since the war began. The battle of attrition that the Luftwaffe was forced to fight had a profound effect on it's future efficiency. A Luftwaffe General, Werner Kreipe, later judged that the decision to try to destroy the RAF had marked a turning point in the history of the second world war. The German airforce was bled almost to death and suffered losses which could never again be made good throughout the course of the War.''

It's a very very good book.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Sorry Bongo, not directed at me, but I have.

Fighter Boys - Patrick Bishop - Published by harper- Collins:

Page 404 para3;
''Fighter Command dealt Hitler's forces the first defeat they had suffered since the war began. The battle of attritionthat the Luftwaffe was forced to fight had a profound effect on it's future efficiency. A Luftwaffe General, Werner Kreipe, later judged that the decision to try to destroy the RAF had marked'a turning point in the history of the second world war. The German airforce was bled almost to death and suffered losses which could never again be made good throughout the course of the War.''

It's a fantastic book.

No probs, thanks mate, I was curious to know if the little review on the back cover by a 'james holland' New statesman was the very same as previously mentioned?

[ParaB]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Stearn....have you read 'fighter boys' by Patric Bishop?, I just got it and haven't read it yet, what is your oppinion on this book?

I'm not Stearn, but I've read Fighter Boys and consider it one of the best books about WW2 I've ever read. And my WW2 literature collection has become quite extensive over the last 20 years.