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[nearmiss]

Gun laws

The only gun laws you need is the right to bear arms.

The crooks leave you alone, because they don't know if you are carrying.

The crooks don't invade your home, because they don't know what you have to protect yourself.

Look at all the genocide, throughout the world. The one's with the guns are the troublemakers and murders, yet the people they are hurting don't have guns. You want to stop the murder and mayhem, arm the people that currently have no way to protect themselves.

Yes you would have civil wars, but the peaceseeking side would have the ability to defend themselves. As it is they are slaughtered mercilessly.

Look at Somalia and Kenya now, over a 1 million people (with no guns) have had to flee Somalia or die there. All these people have become a problem for the rest of the world. I don't feel uncharitable when I say this. I'm just saying, if those people had been armed the outcomes would be different. I think it would have been horrible, but I don't think there would have been as many killed and suffering.

It would be difficult to give them guns now, because all the able bodied men have already been killed for the most part. The refuges are the young, the weak, the old and infirm. These people have to turn to the world for compassion, and they have strong argument for compassion and aid.

When a despotic government or factions want to start trouble, just make sure the folks they despise or otherwise plan to destroy have guns to defend themselves. Outcomes would be different.

[Sternjaeger II]

+1 to Nearmiss, and your example can be scaled to nations and their races for nuclear armaments: yes, it's horrible to think that on this very British soil there are 226 nuclear warheads, half of which would be enough to obliterate human kind for good, but it's "peace through an equal threat" or "superior firepower" the only winning formula with human kind unfortunately.

It's the presumption to think we live in a world where a war couldn't happen again that leaves me speechless. The United Kingdom waged wars for centuries, yet Britons now think it can't happen again..

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

+1 to Nearmiss, and your example can be scaled to nations and their races for nuclear armaments: yes, it's horrible to think that on this very British soil there are 226 nuclear warheads, half of which would be enough to obliterate human kind for good, but it's "peace through an equal threat" or "superior firepower" the only winning formula with human kind unfortunately.

It's the presumption to think we live in a world where a war couldn't happen again that leaves me speechless. The United Kingdom waged wars for centuries, yet Britons now think it can't happen again..

You better believe it. There are people that hate, and have their own reasons for it. The radicals, the religious zealots, we've had these people since forever and they are inevitably spawned in every generation. They do get empowered, which we see from factions that perform and promote genocide.

I can assure you, there are people that have their own reasons for hatred. They create reasons to hate, and they have no basis, except their own borderline insanity.

The citizens of every country need to bear arms, it is a deterrent of enormous proportions to keep despots from taking over. The despots and crooks want to take your stuff, but they won't go to the trouble to take it when you are willing to defend it.

A side note -- you can count on it. There is a Hitler clone alive today, ready to spew the poison and hatred to destroy millions. There are many Hitlers in the world today, that would love to do their dirt. There are people so full of hatred it is beyond the sensibilities of reasonable men and women. Civilized society has to to keep those evil people in check, and immasculated. It is critical to keep them from ever achieving power, or everyone will pay consequences, possibly of enormous proportions.

[Hood]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

The citizens of every country need to bear arms, it is a deterrent of enormous proportions to keep despots from taking over. The despots and crooks want to take your stuff, but they won't go to the trouble to take it when you are willing to defend it.

This is laughable. In the First World it isn't going to happen, and in the Third World having a gun doesn't help because the despots have more, bigger guns or they're supported by First World countries.

You're also advocating intervention into other countries' domestic affairs by arming their citizens and formenting civil war? That gives the USA a bad name that it doesn't deserve.

I can't be bothered to reply about the crooks bit - look up your own stats.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Hood

This is laughable. In the First World it isn't going to happen, and in the Third World having a gun doesn't help because the despots have more, bigger guns or they're supported by First World countries.

I can't be bothered to reply about the crooks bit - look up your own stats.

Big guns can be offset by will and determination not to be a victim. Maybe not immediately, but who knows the threshold for the despots resolve. If you don't fight, you defnitely lose.

Maybe a hand gun won't get the whole job done, but it can help when it comes to dealing out the misery.