Little OT: World of Planes

[SEE]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Actually WoP reminds me of IL-2 1946. The same selection of planes and theaters at least.

The first Gaigin title 'IL2 Sturmovik - Birds of Prey' (for consoles) and then later transported to PC as 'Wings of Prey' was based on the IL2 Engine. Gaigin dumbed down the FM and stitched their graphics engine onto it.

You need to read Olegs views on why he felt that this translation was a step in the right direction.

Interestingly, 'Birds of Steel' for consoles is due to be released and this is based on the Pacific theatre and more than likely based on the Il2 Pacific fighters engine since Gaigin probaably had access to that as well.

[DD_crash]

If that is true it will be interesting to see if NG products are "featured" and what ships are there. I saw that the Avenger has been released for FSX.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by SEE

The first Gaigin title 'IL2 Sturmovik - Birds of Prey' (for consoles) and then later transported to PC as 'Wings of Prey' was based on the IL2 Engine. Gaigin dumbed down the FM and stitched their graphics engine onto it.

You need to read Olegs views on why he felt that this translation was a step in the right direction.

Interestingly, 'Birds of Steel' for consoles is due to be released and this is based on the Pacific theatre and more than likely based on the Il2 Pacific fighters engine since Gaigin probaably had access to that as well.

I was under the impression that they were going to use the il2 engine but in the end used there own!

[addman]

I chuckle every time I read a thread like this. The usual mob swinging their pitchforks in the air "HERESY HERESY!!". I enjoy a proper home cooked dinner, it takes time and labour to make but it's rewarding, I also enjoy a quick, greasy kebab/pizza/hamburger sometimes. Why must one bash the other? It's narrow minded, ignorant and just plain childish IMO. Also look in the grand perspective of things, these kind of games creates interest in the sim genre for people looking for a deeper experience. What's with the fear and bashing? It boggles my mind.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by addman

I chuckle every time I read a thread like this. The usual mob swinging their pitchforks in the air "HERESY HERESY!!". I enjoy a proper home cooked dinner, it takes time and labour to make but it's rewarding, I also enjoy a quick, greasy kebab/pizza/hamburger sometimes. Why must one bash the other? It's narrow minded, ignorant and just plain childish IMO. Also look in the grand perspective of things, these kind of games creates interest in the sim genre for people looking for a deeper experience. What's with the fear and bashing? It boggles my mind.

I know i should have an open mind it but I am negative for this game not because of what it represent but because of the trolls that come out of the wood work and say how it's a better sim than il2, they are completely different.

If you go on simhq much you will know what I mean.

[addman]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

I know i should have an open mind it but I am negative for this game not because of what it represent but because of the trolls that come out of the wood work and say how it's a better sim than il2, they are completely different.

If you go on simhq much you will know what I mean.

But it might be better than IL-2 in some ways, at the same time IL-2 might be better at some other things. Really though, there is no "better" in this case as there is no comparison because these are two totally different experiences aiming at totally different things, they probably aren't in competition with each other. This is truly a case of apple vs oranges, there can't be a winner arguing over these two games...IMHO of course.

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by addman

I chuckle every time I read a thread like this. The usual mob swinging their pitchforks in the air "HERESY HERESY!!". I enjoy a proper home cooked dinner, it takes time and labour to make but it's rewarding, I also enjoy a quick, greasy kebab/pizza/hamburger sometimes. Why must one bash the other? It's narrow minded, ignorant and just plain childish IMO. Also look in the grand perspective of things, these kind of games creates interest in the sim genre for people looking for a deeper experience. What's with the fear and bashing? It boggles my mind.

Your post is probably the most childish and bashing in the entire thread.

Also I fail to follow your logic there. Why do you assume an eventually more shallow copy of a flight sim creates interest for other games in that genre?
I wish it were true but it's not and I'd ask you to provide some insight into that wisdom of yours and also eventually some numbers.
If it were true we would have no issues with this genre at all. See Altitude, Dog Fighter, Hammerfight, Wings of Prey, H.A.W.X., Battlefield 2, Bad Company 2, Call of Duty etc.

Also I wouldn't exactly call it fear. What I was saying is sadly nothing but the truth and if you ask professionals in the industry you'll quickly come to realize that the "free to play" business is the most profitable segment of the gaming industry currently with companies offering f2p games often outperforming direct sale or subscription competitors in the same genre by the factor 2 to 5.

But then again, this is also directly the reason why I said this forum here is probably not the place to advertise this direct competitor. I find it generally disturbing but obviously others will obviously give an opinion - either liking or disliking the title.

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Your post is probably the most childish and bashing in the entire thread.

Also I fail to follow your logic there. Why do you assume an eventually more shallow copy of a flight sim creates interest for other games in that genre?
I wish it were true but it's not and I'd ask you to provide some insight into that wisdom of yours and also eventually some numbers.
If it were true we would have no issues with this genre at all. See Altitude, Dog Fighter, Hammerfight, Wings of Prey, H.A.W.X., Battlefield 2, Bad Company 2, Call of Duty etc.

Also I wouldn't exactly call it fear. What I was saying is sadly nothing but the truth and if you ask professionals in the industry you'll quickly come to realize that the "free to play" business is the most profitable segment of the gaming industry currently with companies offering f2p games often outperforming direct sale or subscription competitors in the same genre by the factor 2 to 5.

But then again, this is also directly the reason why I said this forum here is probably not the place to advertise this direct competitor. I find it generally disturbing but obviously others will obviously give an opinion - either liking or disliking the title.

Madfish you are acting like a childish fanboy. What addman has said is the truth and you have people here telling you that they are the proof that you are wrong. Please grow up.

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

Madfish you are acting like a childish fanboy. What addman has said is the truth and you have people here telling you that they are the proof that you are wrong. Please grow up.

Yes I will daddy. Please tell me when I'm old enough to be allowed to post my opinion.

All fun aside, and I hope you were joking - calling me a fanboy would be... extremely odd.
I can guarantee you there is a great chance that I have more of these "casual" flight games than you or most of the people in this thread. At least I own all of those I listed above as examples (and many, many others, but whatever).
I'm not against casual games at all and I'm certainly not a fanboy of this game just because I feel it's worth pointing out the oddness of advertising an eventually direct competitor here. 90% of the time I play co-op titles these days, no matter what genre.

But thanks for contributing so maturely.

@addman
Instead of insulting me again, and yes, your post was the one that started the bashing... could you just read and actually discuss instead? I haven't seen you answering my question for example:

Also I fail to follow your logic there. Why do you assume an eventually more shallow copy of a flight sim creates interest for other games in that genre?
I wish it were true but it's not and I'd ask you to provide some insight into that wisdom of yours and also eventually some numbers.
If it were true we would have no issues with this genre at all. See Altitude, Dog Fighter, Hammerfight, Wings of Prey, H.A.W.X., Battlefield 2, Bad Company 2, Call of Duty etc.

So yes, aside from cannibalizing potential markets... are there any cases like that you can comment on? Because I don't know of any.
I know of many in the mainstream markets - but not in side genre like space shooters, sims etc.

And calling everyone "the mob" "narrow minded, ignorant and just plain childish " is certainly not bashing and I'm very childish for pointint that out yes? Maybe you should actually re-read what you posted. Thank you very much.

But then again, this thread seems to derail even further with each post and obviously even questions go unanswered - aside from being insulted that is. I'm not against casual games and I certainly am not trying to tell others what to do. I do however question some companies decisions to exploit and cannibalize smaller market sectors to rake in the money and I'm also questioning what good that will do for the genre in general.
And yes, I know that there are exeptions. There will always be exeptions. But then again, so many genres died. Not because there aren't exeptions but because they aren't profitable enough. For example if you take a look at how many people are posting here that they feel cheated for paying 50 bucks for CloD... you can imagine how dangerous the situation is can you? It's not about those 10 people moving up to IL-2 from Wings of Prey. It's about the 100.000 not buying CloD. And partly responsible is the situation of not having infinite cash to make a sim that doesn't sell nearly as good as even the most mediocre titles out there.
That said it's odd how you expect others to tolerate your opinion even if you call them names while trampeling over theirs.

So either we have a manner issue here or maybe this just isn't the right forum after all?

[SEE]

Madfish, whatever your opinion regards discussing alternative titles, the OP has abided by the rules set out in the 'sticky'. I am sure that if there were any problems with his post it would have been deleted.

It appears that there aren't!