IL2 and Sound Modding

[msalama]

Modders broke it, they need to fix it....

Thing is it ain't happening, and no amount of complaining changes that one bit. What we'd need is a 3rd-(trusted)party anti-hack application if Oleg and his guys are not beefing up the original CRT.

[crazyivan1970]

Come on folks, CRT never worked properly... forget CRT.. something new and much more simple needed. If Olegs crew will not find time to patch this hole (They already done more then enough to extend life of the series far and beyond), will have to look inside the community for people that are capable for creating file checker. I actually have few people in mind that might be capable of doing this... will just wait till final release and take it from there. Stop fighting already, nothing will change... tools is out there, people are getting a hang of it and no argument on this forum will change it. Concentrate on solution, because we already have a problem that has gone lose. No?

[msalama]

+1

Sounds great Ivan. Keep us posted, willya, if progress is made w/ that checker OK?

PS. Would look into this myself if I had the time, having been in SW development for years in a former life... but, alas, I don't think I can swing it because I've got plenty of things on my plate as it is ATM!

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by crazyivan1970

Come on folks, CRT never worked properly... forget CRT.. something new and much more simple needed. If Olegs crew will not find time to patch this hole (They already done more then enough to extend life of the series far and beyond), will have to look inside the community for people that are capable for creating file checker. I actually have few people in mind that might be capable of doing this... will just wait till final release and take it from there. Stop fighting already, nothing will change... tools is out there, people are getting a hang of it and no argument on this forum will change it. Concentrate on solution, because we already have a problem that has gone lose. No?

The perfect solution.

[DerAlte]

I bet alot of you have flown on server's with other players who use the Mod and you did not know it. That is a fact. Unless you fly on a closed password protected server. All this mod does is improve (IMO) some aspects of the game. I understand Billfish's example about mirror's (historical correct), clean gunsights (historical correct), clean canopy's (show me one pilot that would fly with a dirty canopy!) and the like. In her opinion, that is a "cheat". I like alot of others say that the track IR option is a "built in" cheat. A "cheat" is using something for a unfair advantage. For me that is a track IR. If everyone had it, it would not be a "unfair advantage". There IS a difference between using one and not on a closed pit server. Ask anyone who upgraded to one. But that is the opinion of a few. I know, I know, Bearcat.....apples and oranges!

I just got a new joystick for X-mas, a simple Saitek EVO (tm), and it is 1000% better than my 7 year old Sidewinder (tm). I have been getting more kill's now online than before. Flying much smoother (and I am a terrible fighter pilot), that some who have flown with me before are screaming "CHEATER, YOU ARE A TERRIBLE PILOT, YOU SHOT ME DOWN, YOU MUST BE CHEATING !!!!" Untill I tell them I finally got off my lazy butt and got a new stick. Then it is "OK, I GOT A NEW ONE TOO.....LOL". Is that a "unfair advantage" ? Matter of opinion, I say.

"Cheating", unless it is clearly proven, by definition, can be just a matter of opinion. What I see is, servers that embrace the Mod openly, are well populated. Some servers who "Damn" the mod (not all,the WW arcade ones are always full), are usely sparce populated. It is just like the so-called "Full Real" servers. Tons of them on Hypnolobby, but rarely visited.

There maybe no clear answer to the self-made schizm now. Both sides are "RIGHT" in their minds. I think ther servers should state from the beginning, MOD or NON-MOD. This BS, "if you use the Mod on our server we will ban you and tell everyone" is for the birds. Tell them simply to please leave, and please STATE IT BEFORE SO THE PEOPLE KNOW !!!!!


DerAlte

[Rama]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

It is just like the so-called "Full Real" servers. Tons of them on Hypnolobby, but rarely visited.

You really don't know much about online play.
Between 25% and 30% of Hypperlobby attendance plays AW (Airforce War, an online coop war, nothing to do with dogfights servers), which is "Full Switch". When AW is up, I can easilly count around 200/300 players playing it.
And the good "Full Switch" dogfight servers like "Spit vs 109","Zeke vs Wildcats", and some others have a good success.

Other than that, +1 with crazyivan.

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by Rama

You really don't know much about online play.
Between 25% and 30% of Hypperlobby attendance plays AW (Airforce War, an online coop war, nothing to do with dogfights servers), which is "Full Switch". When AW is up, I can easilly count around 200/300 players playing it.
And the good "Full Switch" dogfight servers like "Spit vs 109","Zeke vs Wildcats", and some others have a good success.

Other than that, +1 with crazyivan.

Sorry to burst your bubble,but I fly almost every night for at least 1 hour online. I have yet to fly AW, but might give it a try. And Spit V 109 is one of the reasons I stay from such servers (not because of the so-called full real), I like a change a pace with the planeset, and servers with stats always draw in the (it's all about me)point hoes. I have no time for that crap. Just really look at the "Full Real" servers, and see how many are empty. Because 2 or 3 are full, that is not the world.

DerAlte

[Rama]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

Just really look at the "Full Real" servers, and see how many are empty. Because 2 or 3 are full, that is not the world.

And having many "full switch" server empty doesn't mean "almost nobody plays full real" as you try to show.
Just take a a paper and a pencil, and make some easy math: what I can see almost each night is around 300 players playing AW + around 100 playing "full switch" DF, thats 400 on around 900, so between 40% and 50% of the hyperlobby players.
40% is what you call "sparce". I think we don't have the same definition for words.

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

I bet alot of you have flown on server's with other players who use the Mod and you did not know it.

This is the very core of the problem and why those of us who fly online are so upset. It is not the obvious 600mph P11 I'm worried about. It's plane x with say 25mph more speed at mid altitudes, and say 200kg less weight, something that would never be obviously seen, that is the real problem.

Although I am still troubled by the fact that some people I once thought of as honorable have shown themselves not to be so, but that has no effect on the game itself.

I hope that Oleg, or one of us can come up with a way to keep online secure for one more year till SOW comes on to the scene. After that '46 will be gathering dust on my hard drive.

[BSS_Sniper]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

I bet alot of you have flown on server's with other players who use the Mod and you did not know it. That is a fact. Unless you fly on a closed password protected server. All this mod does is improve (IMO) some aspects of the game. I understand Billfish's example about mirror's (historical correct), clean gunsights (historical correct), clean canopy's (show me one pilot that would fly with a dirty canopy!) and the like. In her opinion, that is a "cheat". I like alot of others say that the track IR option is a "built in" cheat. A "cheat" is using something for a unfair advantage. For me that is a track IR. If everyone had it, it would not be a "unfair advantage". There IS a difference between using one and not on a closed pit server. Ask anyone who upgraded to one. But that is the opinion of a few. I know, I know, Bearcat.....apples and oranges!

I just got a new joystick for X-mas, a simple Saitek EVO (tm), and it is 1000% better than my 7 year old Sidewinder (tm). I have been getting more kill's now online than before. Flying much smoother (and I am a terrible fighter pilot), that some who have flown with me before are screaming "CHEATER, YOU ARE A TERRIBLE PILOT, YOU SHOT ME DOWN, YOU MUST BE CHEATING !!!!" Untill I tell them I finally got off my lazy butt and got a new stick. Then it is "OK, I GOT A NEW ONE TOO.....LOL". Is that a "unfair advantage" ? Matter of opinion, I say.

"Cheating", unless it is clearly proven, by definition, can be just a matter of opinion. What I see is, servers that embrace the Mod openly, are well populated. Some servers who "Damn" the mod (not all,the WW arcade ones are always full), are usely sparce populated. It is just like the so-called "Full Real" servers. Tons of them on Hypnolobby, but rarely visited.

There maybe no clear answer to the self-made schizm now. Both sides are "RIGHT" in their minds. I think ther servers should state from the beginning, MOD or NON-MOD. This BS, "if you use the Mod on our server we will ban you and tell everyone" is for the birds. Tell them simply to please leave, and please STATE IT BEFORE SO THE PEOPLE KNOW !!!!!


DerAlte

I'm guessing you haven't been on HL, ever. lol The fullswitch servers are the ones that are full. Zeke's vs Wildcats, Spits vs 109's, Warclouds. Also, the only time a windshield is clean is just before the engine starts. I flew all day today with a crapload of junk on my windshield. Bugs, grass, dirt, ect. Windshields are never clean. I'm not sure where you got that idea from. Thats the problem too, people making some of the mods are making them with the their own idea and really not much more info or research instead of a team with someone in charge that knows and has standards to follow..........there's some dots for everyone