The quickest way to feel ashamed.......

[retrojet]

Totally agree, CWMV.
I'm not saying we should do a hitler on these low-life's, but most of the trouble within so-called civilized countries today, is due to the lack of discipline and respect for others. Something that my father instilled in me! And if that meant a whack round the head for being out of line, then I deserved it! Bloody liberal-minded, do-gooders are causing a slow, but steady degradation of every moral value that good men died to provide the free-world!
Well, it's not so free when veterans are held hostage in their own homes, because it's not safe to go get a pint of milk!
I don't want Big Brother, but I do expect the punishment to fit the crime! And that is not the case 9 times out of 10!
Maybe national service should be brought back!

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by retrojet

Totally agree, CWMV.
I'm not saying we should do a hitler on these low-life's, but most of the trouble within so-called civilized countries today, is due to the lack of discipline and respect for others. Something that my father instilled in me! And if that meant a whack round the head for being out of line, then I deserved it! Bloody liberal-minded, do-gooders are causing a slow, but steady degradation of every moral value that good men died to provide the free-world!
Well, it's not so free when veterans are held hostage in their own homes, because it's not safe to go get a pint of milk!
I don't want Big Brother, but I do expect the punishment to fit the crime! And that is not the case 9 times out of 10!
Maybe national service should be brought back!

Here here!
In addition to national service maybe we can bring back that sense of nationalism and pride rather than this garbage "citizen of the world" globalist mentality.
We should all have pride in our national identities!

[Ibis]

You can't shoot these poor little one brain cell creatures, they come from the bottom of the gene pool, the same pool that their parents crawled out of.
Catch 'em and send them off to Afghanistan for six months, that should give them some idea of what they have done.
cheers,
Ibis.

[seaeye]

Originally Posted by retrojet

Maybe national service should be brought back!

Maybe National Service ought not be brought back. I served with the FAA a few years ago, and I can assure you there are already enough d**kheads within the military organisation without drafting in a load of criminals as some form of social rehab.

Originally Posted by Madfish

So yeah, I agree it's not a cool thing to do but the replies I'm seeing here are questionable at best. I'm not seeing that it'd be in the spirit of the fallen ones either to be honest with you.

I think alot of what this guy says is correct. Do the rest of you solve all life's problems with a gun?

Originally Posted by CWMV

Well here's where I'm coming from, as a veteran.
A man who has no respect/reverence for their country, its history, or respect for those who have made the ultimate sacrifice in the name of liberty do not deserve to draw breath. Period.
Personally, I question any man who does not put fealty to their family/nation first and foremost in the list of lifes priorities.
And your point of view is something that I find very disturbingly, as you say "21st century". Think of all the men that died to ensure the sovereignty of wherever you hail from. It may not mean a lot to you but they were willing to lay down their lives to ensure that our nation and our way of life remained independent and self governing. If you don't think that that memory, and the monuments to it, are entitled to the highest levels of respect then I simply will never understand your point of view.

When I was reading this all I could hear in my head was this: http://youtu.be/97VorYNvc-c?t=1m49s

[Blackdog_kt]

I think that going about with the quick solution that helps people vent their anger causes more problems in the long run (aka the "let's shoot them" deal).

I'm all for punishment befitting the crime, but punishment alone without an explanation about why it comes didn't really help anyone "get it" as to why they're being punished in the first place.

Like others have said, things like that are first and foremost results of social/family and educational issues in our societies.

Also on the terms of national service, i think a lot of the sabre-rattling and cavalier attitude towards starting wars would go away if some of the major world powers re-instituted conscription.

In my country it's mandatory and while it is a pain in the back, i'm glad it is that way for a variety of reasons.
Although it's not that hard to get excused due to medical reasons, the vast majority do some army time at some point in their lives, depending on if they get a suspension of conscription for university/studies/family reasons we've got from 19 year old to 35 year old conscripts actively serving in all three branches, along with professional military men of all ranks.

For me this is like "money in the moral bank" and that's why i went ahead and served my 12 months when it would be easy as pie for me not to due to a back condition that i have: i learn some skills to defend family, friends and the people's collective property if the need arises, i have a sense of being owed to or at least being on parity as opposed to owing to society so that i can demand certain things from the state (i put my life on hold for a year to defend the state, so the state is indebted to protect me in a similar fashion), plus a true citizen army in the interest of the citizens is the best means to apply pressure within the state in case of corrupt governments and so on.

For example, it's hard for a government to make an army of 90% non-professionals oppress their civilians or justify sending the army to fight wars abroad when there is no tangible gain from it and there are more immediate threats closer to home, especially when they will be going back to a civilian life and voting against you in the event of an election. Long story short, i see it as the people's tool both in guarding against external threats as well as internal ones, because it is made up of the people themselves

[Ze-Jamz]

Capital punishment is the way forward...

Bring it back = deterant

@ Madfish.. I wouldnt go as far as to say were not friends as I dont even know you, I will however say that OUR views on this matter and the comments you have made in your post puts our views a millions miles apart from one another

[retrojet]

[QUOTE=seaeye;327243]Maybe National Service ought not be brought back. I served with the FAA a few years ago, and I can assure you there are already enough d**kheads within the military organisation without drafting in a load of criminals as some form of social rehab.

I think alot of what this guy says is correct. Do the rest of you solve all life's problems with a gun? QUOTE]

???????
Only if the problem requires one...?! Why should the target of violent crime not have the right to fight fire with fire? I come from the UK where owning a gun is not allowed, except for the authorities, rich gits, and criminal types! I live in the USA, where the common man has the right to protect himself and his property... That makes sense to me, even though I despise the fact that gun-ownership exists at all, in everyday life... Ask Norway, for crikey sake!!! Nut cases can get a gun or three too easily, but if you think you can reclaim the streets, you're welcome to ask nicely... Just be well-armed when you try...!

[seaeye]

Originally Posted by retrojet

???????
Only if the problem requires one...?! Why should the target of violent crime not have the right to fight fire with fire? I come from the UK where owning a gun is not allowed, except for the authorities, rich gits, and criminal types! I live in the USA, where the common man has the right to protect himself and his property... That makes sense to me, even though I despise the fact that gun-ownership exists at all, in everyday life... Ask Norway, for crikey sake!!! Nut cases can get a gun or three too easily, but if you think you can reclaim the streets, you're welcome to ask nicely... Just be well-armed when you try...!

Ok, certain situations and circumstances require the use of firearms. I am well aware of that, I joined the Royal Navy so that fact is not lost on me.

What I was trying to say was that when these guys defaced a war memorial, the didn't and aren't threatening anyones life by doing what they did, so to suggest they should be shot for their crime is a bit overkill. Ok, what the did was bad, but if you really, really think it's ok to kill them for it, then you aren't much better yourself.

The plaque will be replaced, and eventually the d**kheads responsible will be held to account in one way or another.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by seaeye

Ok, certain situations and circumstances require the use of firearms. I am well aware of that, I joined the Royal Navy so that fact is not lost on me.

What I was trying to say was that when these guys defaced a war memorial, the didn't and aren't threatening anyones life by doing what they did, so to suggest they should be shot for their crime is a bit overkill. Ok, what the did was bad, but if you really, really think it's ok to kill them for it, then you aren't much better yourself.

The plaque will be replaced, and eventually the d**kheads responsible will be held to account in one way or another.

Ok to clear at least my end up...

No I wouldnt shoot them if i had them infront of me, its a term but i would expect them to be punished for it..the laws here are far to soft for most crimes..

The prisons are a doddle, have what you want...No deterant what so ever for most hence why they re offend and why people will 'do the crime' cuz they know they CAN 'do the time', I know its not like that elsewhere but it is here, always has been..

As for catching them and holding them to account?...probably never happen and if it did and we punished them, the punishment dished out wouldnt stop them doing it again Im pretty sure of that

[ATAG_Doc]

It is a proven fact that capital punishment is 100% spot on at preventing recidivism. No one has or can prove that it does not do this.