The quickest way to feel ashamed.......

[Madfish]

Probably not making friends with saying this but:

Most of you ask for them to be shot for stealing a plate of cheap copper? Seriously, I wonder if you ever look at what you're saying.

True wartime heroes would probably laugh at this or turn around in their graves after witnessing the brutalities of war and death and seeing some forum heroes demanding people to get shot for something like this.

Yes, copper prices rise and it's probably not the right thing to do - but do you seriously believe it "dishonors" the dead? Brings them back to life or something?

Maybe I'm just too 21st century but in case I die I couldn't care less what people do with my remains. I'm dead, my life gone.
Do you want to kill every worm because it eats the dead?

Also, how long do you think people will keep these memorials? In 2000 years everything will be filled with memorials instead of houses if we don't move on.


So yeah, I agree it's not a cool thing to do but the replies I'm seeing here are questionable at best. I'm not seeing that it'd be in the spirit of the fallen ones either to be honest with you.

[Skoshi Tiger]

I guess your right. If we shot all the unthinking, selfish, self-centered, disrespectful people in the world there wouldn't be many of us left.

The worst case I heard of happened about 10 years ago when a group of women's right activists turned up at an ANZAC day dawn service and threw red paint over the 70 year old veterans while others spray pained the Cenotaph with 'women against rape in war'

Their 'protest' caused more damage to their cause than anything else. Assaulting people to make a point is just plane wrong.

[drewpee]

[QUOTE=Skoshi Tiger;327170]I guess your right. If we shot all the unthinking, selfish, self-centered, disrespectful people in the world there wouldn't be many of us left.

That's rite and who would run the country?

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Probably not making friends with saying this but:

Most of you ask for them to be shot for stealing a plate of cheap copper? Seriously, I wonder if you ever look at what you're saying.

I dont care if it was made of cardboard. It is far more than that. If you dont understand that then you never will

True wartime heroes would probably laugh at this or turn around in their graves after witnessing the brutalities of war and death and seeing some forum heroes demanding people to get shot for something like this.

Are you a wartime hero? I'm not, just a veteran, but even I still do not presume to know their point of view.

Yes, copper prices rise and it's probably not the right thing to do - but do you seriously believe it "dishonors" the dead? Brings them back to life or something?

Yes, it does. Their memory and the sanctity of our national identity are sullied when these vandals do these things. It is an assault on our warriors and on our very nation.

Maybe I'm just too 21st century but in case I die I couldn't care less what people do with my remains. I'm dead, my life gone.
Do you want to kill every worm because it eats the dead?

You just don't get it, not your fault, nothing you could do.

Also, how long do you think people will keep these memorials? In 2000 years everything will be filled with memorials instead of houses if we don't move on.

It is my fondest hope that our memorials to our fallen warriors exist until the ending of the earth, that we may remember them and follow their example.

So yeah, I agree it's not a cool thing to do but the replies I'm seeing here are questionable at best. I'm not seeing that it'd be in the spirit of the fallen ones either to be honest with you.

Well here's where I'm coming from, as a veteran.
A man who has no respect/reverence for their country, its history, or respect for those who have made the ultimate sacrifice in the name of liberty do not deserve to draw breath. Period.
Personally, I question any man who does not put fealty to their family/nation first and foremost in the list of lifes priorities.
And your point of view is something that I find very disturbingly, as you say "21st century". Think of all the men that died to ensure the sovereignty of wherever you hail from. It may not mean a lot to you but they were willing to lay down their lives to ensure that our nation and our way of life remained independent and self governing. If you don't think that that memory, and the monuments to it, are entitled to the highest levels of respect then I simply will never understand your point of view.

[retrojet]

Totally agree, CWMV.
I'm not saying we should do a hitler on these low-life's, but most of the trouble within so-called civilized countries today, is due to the lack of discipline and respect for others. Something that my father instilled in me! And if that meant a whack round the head for being out of line, then I deserved it! Bloody liberal-minded, do-gooders are causing a slow, but steady degradation of every moral value that good men died to provide the free-world!
Well, it's not so free when veterans are held hostage in their own homes, because it's not safe to go get a pint of milk!
I don't want Big Brother, but I do expect the punishment to fit the crime! And that is not the case 9 times out of 10!
Maybe national service should be brought back!

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by retrojet

Totally agree, CWMV.
I'm not saying we should do a hitler on these low-life's, but most of the trouble within so-called civilized countries today, is due to the lack of discipline and respect for others. Something that my father instilled in me! And if that meant a whack round the head for being out of line, then I deserved it! Bloody liberal-minded, do-gooders are causing a slow, but steady degradation of every moral value that good men died to provide the free-world!
Well, it's not so free when veterans are held hostage in their own homes, because it's not safe to go get a pint of milk!
I don't want Big Brother, but I do expect the punishment to fit the crime! And that is not the case 9 times out of 10!
Maybe national service should be brought back!

Here here!
In addition to national service maybe we can bring back that sense of nationalism and pride rather than this garbage "citizen of the world" globalist mentality.
We should all have pride in our national identities!

[Ibis]

You can't shoot these poor little one brain cell creatures, they come from the bottom of the gene pool, the same pool that their parents crawled out of.
Catch 'em and send them off to Afghanistan for six months, that should give them some idea of what they have done.
cheers,
Ibis.

[seaeye]

Originally Posted by retrojet

Maybe national service should be brought back!

Maybe National Service ought not be brought back. I served with the FAA a few years ago, and I can assure you there are already enough d**kheads within the military organisation without drafting in a load of criminals as some form of social rehab.

Originally Posted by Madfish

So yeah, I agree it's not a cool thing to do but the replies I'm seeing here are questionable at best. I'm not seeing that it'd be in the spirit of the fallen ones either to be honest with you.

I think alot of what this guy says is correct. Do the rest of you solve all life's problems with a gun?

Originally Posted by CWMV

Well here's where I'm coming from, as a veteran.
A man who has no respect/reverence for their country, its history, or respect for those who have made the ultimate sacrifice in the name of liberty do not deserve to draw breath. Period.
Personally, I question any man who does not put fealty to their family/nation first and foremost in the list of lifes priorities.
And your point of view is something that I find very disturbingly, as you say "21st century". Think of all the men that died to ensure the sovereignty of wherever you hail from. It may not mean a lot to you but they were willing to lay down their lives to ensure that our nation and our way of life remained independent and self governing. If you don't think that that memory, and the monuments to it, are entitled to the highest levels of respect then I simply will never understand your point of view.

When I was reading this all I could hear in my head was this: http://youtu.be/97VorYNvc-c?t=1m49s

[Blackdog_kt]

I think that going about with the quick solution that helps people vent their anger causes more problems in the long run (aka the "let's shoot them" deal).

I'm all for punishment befitting the crime, but punishment alone without an explanation about why it comes didn't really help anyone "get it" as to why they're being punished in the first place.

Like others have said, things like that are first and foremost results of social/family and educational issues in our societies.

Also on the terms of national service, i think a lot of the sabre-rattling and cavalier attitude towards starting wars would go away if some of the major world powers re-instituted conscription.

In my country it's mandatory and while it is a pain in the back, i'm glad it is that way for a variety of reasons.
Although it's not that hard to get excused due to medical reasons, the vast majority do some army time at some point in their lives, depending on if they get a suspension of conscription for university/studies/family reasons we've got from 19 year old to 35 year old conscripts actively serving in all three branches, along with professional military men of all ranks.

For me this is like "money in the moral bank" and that's why i went ahead and served my 12 months when it would be easy as pie for me not to due to a back condition that i have: i learn some skills to defend family, friends and the people's collective property if the need arises, i have a sense of being owed to or at least being on parity as opposed to owing to society so that i can demand certain things from the state (i put my life on hold for a year to defend the state, so the state is indebted to protect me in a similar fashion), plus a true citizen army in the interest of the citizens is the best means to apply pressure within the state in case of corrupt governments and so on.

For example, it's hard for a government to make an army of 90% non-professionals oppress their civilians or justify sending the army to fight wars abroad when there is no tangible gain from it and there are more immediate threats closer to home, especially when they will be going back to a civilian life and voting against you in the event of an election. Long story short, i see it as the people's tool both in guarding against external threats as well as internal ones, because it is made up of the people themselves

[Ze-Jamz]

Capital punishment is the way forward...

Bring it back = deterant

@ Madfish.. I wouldnt go as far as to say were not friends as I dont even know you, I will however say that OUR views on this matter and the comments you have made in your post puts our views a millions miles apart from one another