Blow up

[Stealth_Eagle]

Reading through this section is fairly interesting for me. I, personally, am not the best fighter pilot you will run into but I know how to lead and be able to blow off wings of FW 200 with my secret custom belting (surprisingly, it actually is historical to an extent). As for the 109 damage model, it is quite well modeled personally and in my Jabo attack run against the British radar, I lost maybe about 2 feet off my right wing. It felt like I was going to spin out but I somehow returned back to my base safe and sound (perhaps because I can take damage better than the AI). So that is what I think would happen in real life because a bit back, a skyraider landed safely with only 1/2 of its right wing lost in a colision with a P 51.

[Crumpp]

Pumping the wings full of holes

Does not do much to the airplane.

[TomcatViP]

Personally I think the DM is great. It's just that ppl need to get used too as it seems there is hundreds of different combination.

The only thing that''s cld be corrected is the way it's so easy to land back a crippled plane. I think we all agree about. But I think this being alrdy assessed by devs.

Of course the new ammo belts are problematic too regarding the PK rates

[trumps]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Of course the new ammo belts are problematic too regarding the PK rates

I can't see any problem with the amount of pilot kills, the way I see it is that thesedays due to the level of detail in the damage model and how much harder it is to get a kill through spray and pray people are being a lot more selective about where they aim, I know I am! Engines and cockpits are the sweetspot on all aircraft types, I know that a half second burst in that area will do more critical damage than 3 seconds blazing away from your 6. Ammo loadouts do make a difference, but then again if you put your plane infront of someone elses bullets all the time you must expect for it to be shot down, no matter what loadout they use

Craig

[TomcatViP]

Hi Craig,

As I wrote I don't believe anyone is able to pinpoint the cockpit crossing your line of fire at 400kph at 200m

I hve shown that the odds that the pilot is to be killed in that situation can't be higher than 30% and that it would hve been very unlucky to be PK that way three time in a raw (<3%)

IMHO this could be very annoying for new pilot to face immediate death as soon as someone in a 109 turn is nose in his direction. Tht's my point. I am not representing PETA here campaigning for cat's furs !

[drewpee]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Does not do much to the airplane.

Please explain how shredded wings doesn't do much?

[Crumpp]

full of holes

Is not "shredded"....

I said wings full of rifle caliber bullet holes will not do much just because of the holes in the skin.

Check out hail damaged aircraft.....

Here is one with substantial wing damage from a SFSAM

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/oo-dll/4.shtml

[drewpee]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Is not "shredded"....

I said wings full of rifle caliber bullet holes will not do much just because of the holes in the skin.

Check out hail damaged aircraft.....

Here is one with substantial wing damage from a SFSAM

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/oo-dll/4.shtml

Seem I've misunderstood your misunderstanding.

What I have seen is wings with multiple gaping holes all over with damage to ailerons and flaps. So much damage that there would be little chance that control line would survive and the AC is still capable of dogfighting? Objects to aim for during an attack include oil coolers radiators rudder/elevators and ailerons. Hitting any of these will at least remove the ability to effectively maneuver at best unflyable.