August 6 2011 Development Update

Originally Posted by Baron

And when are u going to get it into your head that its NVidia you are suppose to talk to, not Luthier.

Nvidia dont make SLI work for games, they choose to add profiles in thier drivers, If SLI worked you can easily do this yourself with your Nvidia control panel or by using nHancer. So nothing to do with Nvidia.

[katdogfizzow]

Originally Posted by SYN_Bliss

Is it scaling like it should? No.

I'd be curious what a HardwareMonitoring.hml reveals. You should fire up a MSI afterburner log and post the results.

[Blackdog_kt]

Well, first of all, there are test builds and versions of the sim that we haven't yet seen. Those patches don't materialize out of thin air. Whether the dev team has a build that works with SLI under optimization (and thus, not yet suitable for release) is anyone's guess and for every negative guess there's a positive one too.

And now for the red text that some apparently can't get enough of...

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

lol, Havoc your just miffed because i proved you wrong, Im still waiting on that apology by the way.

Quit it with the point scoring. You come up with a valid question (however repetitive) and then figuratively spit in your own bowl of cereal out of spite. After all, if we wanted to keep track of apologies in an impartial manner you'd be one long overdue for claiming Ubisoft was not the publisher.

Generally speaking, expect a thread clean-up pretty soon if this goes on (some baiting and others responding to it)

[Timberwolf]

Here's some helpful news While UBIJOKE is still charging full price. Just flight is charging £13.99 €19.99 $19.99 this weekend PS glad to hear SLI is working i just bought a 2nd card

[Baron]

Tree:


A while ago u asked Luthier "is Sli supported?", Luthier answered: "of course it is, why wouldnt it be" (like asking if headphones is supported hence Luthiers answer)

So far so good, you got the answer to your question.

Now u are wondering why Sli isnt working like it should for everyone (not the same thing as: is Sli supported) and THAT is a question you have to ask NVidia (and AMD/Crossfire). The answer to that is: because none of the company's have made a profile specifically for Cliffs of Dover, simple as that.

It works with global settings but its not working as well as it could, again, because there are no profile specifically for CloD. Its the same with virtually all games until NVidia and AMD see fit to add a profile. It was the same with IL2 Sturmovik. Sli and Crossfire has only become popular in the last few years and there where never a profile from either company that enabled this for IL2 Sturmovik. There where ways to get it to work. i personally had a hell of i time getting my 4870x2 to run even close to its potential simply because AMD felt they had better things to do than add a profile for a 8 year old game that no one outside the flightsim community ever heard of. Same thing now, NVidia and AMD are real guick adding profiles for Battlefield or Call of Duty or Crysis2 (witch took a couple of months iirc, same with DX11 in fact, Crysis was not released in DX11 if u wanna go into that debate to), a flight sim is another matter entirely.

I could be wrong but as far as i know it took RoF until May this year before even adding Sli/Crossfire support.

Read this if you somehow think CloD is the exception: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3330564 (Btw not a dig of any sort towards RoF, just want to show that supported and working Sli/crossfire is not as given as many seem to think. RoF is just one example)

[jimbop]

So the nvidia-created SLI profiles are more than just pre-defined settings that you can already make in the nvidia control panel? I thought that's all the profiles were...

[Baron]

Read this driver readme for ex: http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-wi...ql-driver.html


For ex. performance boosts for specific card in specific games, those boosts just don't appear out of thin air. Sli and Crossfire implies that 2 or more gpu`s have to work together and not against each other, that doesn't just happen on its own. Not all games work the same way/is coded the same way hence different profiles to get maximum boost. Sli does work with global settings but not as good as it can with a specific profile. (witch in tales more than just pre defined settings made in the control panel)

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Is this all really necessary?

Luthier has posted a great update, looks very promising do we have to derail it.

Don't worry, we won't. Off-topic posts will be moved as necessary.

Once again, it's not about Tree and i don't really care about setting the sequence of events right, i was just having a slight jab at him to illustrate to him how his method looks to others and he didn't seem to like it, as he's still debating it. The "do unto others..." quote comes to mind here.

I have nothing against the guy personally speaking and i'll be glad to fly with him online sometime, but when moderating i'm not supposed to behave as a person with ties to past history.

In order to remain impartial i have to do it like a robot/automaton and just ask myself a few yes/no questions. Is this off-topic? Is this causing unnecessary gnashing of teeth? Does it break any forum rules? If the answer is yes to any of that i do what the admins in Moscow expect me to do so that things don't get out of hand

The thing is, i don't care about the name above the post. If it drags threads off-topic the posts get moved and i try not to look at the names so that my personal feelings don't cloud my judgement.

After all, i didn't move his initial, perfectly valid question. What i moved was the bickering that ensued and that included the posts of people who attacked him, so my conscience is perfectly clear.

I think Tree is a long-timer that most of us have gotten used to, but that doesn't hold true for much of the newcomers. That doesn't mean he should suffer for it. However it doesn't mean he gets preferential treatment due to his veteran status either. I'm not moved one inch by the "victim" rhetoric when his posting style (accepted by many of the old-timers) is regularly ruffling other people's feathers. If i allow him to do it to others, i'll have to allow them to respond in kind. And since i can't bother keeping score between them, i just follow the forum rules that globally disallow it. I hate double standards with a passion.

I also regularly move posts of people that i have very good discussions with in other threads and they don't think much about it. They know it's not personal and they know they have a separate thread to vent their frustration if need be (which is where the posts get moved to anyway), so i haven't really had anyone actively express any displeasure yet and it's not like they couldn't: it's pretty clear i'm not very keen on banning people, especially so on a whim, so everyone can have their say. In fact i'm quite often bending the rules and letting things slide.

On the contrary, my PM box is often overflowing with messages that are split 50/50 between people saying they like the current moderation and others saying they would like stricter measures taken. What i haven't seen yet is someone asking me to let things slide more than i currently do. It's like a polling service to be honest and since the community is happy the way things are (and in some cases wants it taken even further), it's my job to do it. This is not my forum, this is nobody's forum individually. It's OUR forum collectively and everyone should be able to use it in an enjoyable manner. The boundaries of my freedom of speech lie where it starts to encroach on someone else's freedom of speech. So i can't just go around saying whatever i want with no concern for others, because it's not freedom of speech, it's being an overbearing, annoying person.

So, i'm sorry if i displease certain people, but i don't intend to apply post-count and registration date criteria in how moderation is done. Everyone is equal here and moderation is applied on a case by case, post by post basis, regardless of the poster's opinions, affiliation and time spent on the forum. If anyone wants to do it another way be my guest, apply for a moderator position and have a go at it. Just keep in mind that between answering questions and moderating the forums i have almost no time left to fly a sim that on my PC and installation works flawlessly and delivers what i want it to. So, any takers?

Originally Posted by Baron

Tree:


A while ago u asked Luthier "is Sli supported?", Luthier answered: "of course it is, why wouldnt it be" (like asking if headphones is supported hence Luthiers answer)

So far so good, you got the answer to your question.

Now u are wondering why Sli isnt working like it should for everyone (not the same thing as: is Sli supported) and THAT is a question you have to ask NVidia (and AMD/Crossfire). The answer to that is: because none of the company's have made a profile specifically for Cliffs of Dover, simple as that.

It works with global settings but its not working as well as it could, again, because there are no profile specifically for CloD. Its the same with virtually all games until NVidia and AMD see fit to add a profile. It was the same with IL2 Sturmovik. Sli and Crossfire has only become popular in the last few years and there where never a profile from either company that enabled this for IL2 Sturmovik. There where ways to get it to work. i personally had a hell of i time getting my 4870x2 to run even close to its potential simply because AMD felt they had better things to do than add a profile for a 8 year old game that no one outside the flightsim community ever heard of. Same thing now, NVidia and AMD are real guick adding profiles for Battlefield or Call of Duty or Crysis2 (witch took a couple of months iirc, same with DX11 in fact, Crysis was not released in DX11 if u wanna go into that debate to), a flight sim is another matter entirely.

I could be wrong but as far as i know it took RoF until May this year before even adding Sli/Crossfire support.

Read this if you somehow think CloD is the exception: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3330564 (Btw not a dig of any sort towards RoF, just want to show that supported and working Sli/crossfire is not as given as many seem to think. RoF is just one example)

Hi Baron, when i asked luthier that question it was during development, since then he has stated that SLi and Crossfire work. You dont have to have a profile from nvidia to make it work, if the game supports SLI you can make your own profile, its the same as applying FSAA to the game, people have tried this also through the nvidia driver overiding any in game settings, but like SLI it doesn't work becuase the game currently doesn't support it.
Some of the forum members have been trying already with varying degrees of success to make their own profiles, although to date Ive not heard any results from anyone using nHancer which is by far the best program to use for getting SLI to work.
Anyway cast your minds back to the original Il2, that had a profile for SLI with Nvidia drivers, but the profile was very poor, In order to get the best out of IL2 you had to make your profile where SLI was concerned. I guess that my real point is that Luthier has claimed that he left the 2D clouds out of the last patch because it was effecting SLI, the question I am asking is how does he know that? How did he test that with SLI, if like most are saying that SLI will not work without Nvidia, do you see where i am going with this. People are saying that SLI works of sorts but nothing like it should do, if thats the case give us the 2D clouds and fix SLI later.

[JG52Krupi]

Tree I dont have sli but I have seen more ppl say it's working than it isn't, so if you want something to complain about let's swap our gpus and you can see what it's like to get a drop in fps due to crappy xfire support.

However I am waiting patiently along with three over 5970 users all experiencing the same issues.