UFO's and extra-terrestrial life

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

Here is out of the blue it has Col. Gordon Cooper and Dr Edgar Mitchell,
but what do these retards know they are just astronuts right?

Yeah, astronauts really are the authority on UFOs.(?)

Ed Mitchell? He expressly says in the video you posted his only evidence of ETs was that he'd spoken to a couple of un-named* sources. 'Out of the Blue' has all the credibility of 'Loose Change'.

If that's your standard of evidence then you really ought to listen to Coast to Coast AM. On there you can nightly hear people claiming to be in contact with Nasa insiders, or FBI whistleblowers, or ex-CIA operatives, or 'Ascended Masters, the Greys...etc.

* surprise surprise.

[Wolf_Rider]

One of the best means of "protecting" a situation, is to give factual information to discredited nutter outlets and false information to credible outlets....

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

One of the best means of "protecting" a situation, is to give factual information to discredited nutter outlets and false information to credible outlets....

Very true.

[Lixma]

So, I visited Youtube and typed in 'UFO con....'.

I selected a video that mentioned Ed Mitchell. In it he goes on about how we should join this 'galactic community' or some such....it's the standard spiel*.

If you're a masochist, here it is....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu_7hd5B-dc&feature=fvsr

But the true gems are to be found in the comments. A selection...

aliens must look at us as greedy,wastefull parasites,who will let millions starve and freeze to death,as long as we have the best cars,nicest house etc.i really wonder if we are worth saving.

From what i observed in this video since Apollo mission, they perfected and mastered the technique of invisibility and cloaking that we are still blind and still working for it for more than hundred of years.

one ufo report suggested it created such a bad boom it may of rendered an entire town unconcious in their sleep and when they awoke they wouldn't even realize and likely thought it was just a dream. these machines do things to people when they are asleep. i have seen mini black discs in my bedroom when semi awake and i was not dreaming. it teleported in my bedroom and went across the cieling. now i realize just how these things can toy with our minds and make us think we r cracking up

Has any1 thought of the possibility that Mitchell is trying to discredit the whole movement, hes constantly saying that he has seen nothing, but that he has heard others speaking of it, and he has been on the moon, saw no structures at all, and that the backside of the moon has no base, he doesn't sound like an insider at all. It might be just me but i am very suspicious about him.

Maybe aliens are the ones directing our governments social mandate?

Quality stuff.

* Let me say i've all the time in the world for pioneering astronauts. I used to be quite the M/G/Apollo buff. But that doesn't mean they get a free pass when they venture into woo-woo territory.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Lixma

Let me say i've all the time in the world for pioneering astronauts. I used to be quite the M/G/Apollo buff. But that doesn't mean they get a free pass when they venture into woo-woo territory.

Indeed. The Apollo astronauts themselves all found life a bit difficult after the moon. Who wouldn't? I'd imagine once you've been there, done that, all else seems trivial.

There's a good read by Andrew Smith called 'Moondust'. It's a simple book where Smith - in around 1999/2000 - interviews the men who went to the moon .

It's quite a sad tale of alcoholism, mental breakdown, divorce, finding God and/or religious cults, and talented but obsessive behaviour such as Al Bean painting great pictures, but only of men on the moon. Worth a look.

Real space travel, astronomy and astrophysics are all interests of mine (when I can grasp the astrophysics bit), similarly science fiction can be great literature and great cinema.

Conspiracy theories/theorists and saying whatever it takes to earn either a few quid or a fortune I don't have time for, particularly when they prey on the easily led, which makes them dangerous in my opinion.

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Indeed. The Apollo astronauts themselves all found life a bit difficult after the moon. Who wouldn't? I'd imagine once you've been there, done that, all else seems trivial.

There's a good read by Andrew Smith called 'Moondust'. It's a simple book where Smith interviews the men who went to the moon in around 1999/2000.

It's quite a sad tale of alcoholism, mental breakdown, divorce, finding God and/or religious cults, and talented but obsessive behaviour such as Al Bean painting great pictures, but only of men on the moon. Worth a look.

Real space travel, astronomy and astrophysics are all interests of mine (when I can grasp the astrophysics bit), similarly science fiction can be great literature and great cinema.

Conspiracy theories/theorists and saying whatever it takes to earn a fortune I don't have time for, particularly when they prey on the easily led, which makes them dangerous to my mind.

Good post.

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

There's a good read by Andrew Smith called 'Moondust'. It's a simple book where Smith - in around 1999/2000 - interviews the men who went to the moon .

Yep, read it. I enjoyed the part when the author expressed his anxiety about interviewing Gene Cernan, hoping he wouldn't be subject to Cernan's familiar 'after-dinner', 'flowery' descriptions of 17. Sure enough within seconds of asking Gene about his experience the author is treated to exactly that.

Only it dawns on Smith that no matter how corny or hackneyed it may sound to familiar ears, Gene Cernan is nevertheless the only one out of just 12 people on Earth who has made a concerted attempt to communicate the human feelings involved in walking upon another world to the public. That's a hell of a task.

Glad you brought it up, i'll have to dig it out if I still have it.

[Lixma]

Just a quick follow up. The Wiki page on Foo Fighters has an interesting reference at the bottom. It's mentions a study by the United States Navy Bureau of Medicine called Project X-148-AV-4-3.

During April 1945, the US Navy began to experiment on visual illusions as experienced by night time aviators......This project pioneered the study of aviators' vertigo and was initiated because a wide variety of anomalous events were being reported by night time aviators.

The head of the study, Dr. Edgar Vinacke leaves us this interesting quote...

Pilots do not have sufficient information about phenomena of disorientation, and, as a corollary, are given considerable disorganized, incomplete, and inaccurate information. They are largely dependent upon their own experience, which must supplement and interpret the traditions about 'vertigo' which are passed on to them. When a concept thus grows out of anecdotes cemented together with practical necessity, it is bound to acquire elements of mystery. So far as 'vertigo' is concerned, no one really knows more than a small part of the facts, but a great deal of the peril. Since aviators are not skilled observers of human behavior, they usually have only the vaguest understanding of their own feelings. Like other naive persons, therefore, they have simply adopted a term to cover a multitude of otherwise inexplicable events.

(my emphasis).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter

Am I suggesting that vertigo is therefore the cause of all these sightings? No. And to even suggest the possibility that Gordo Cooper of all people may have suffered from vertigo is no doubt considered by some to be a slight upon his name.

Nevertheless, it demonstrates that pilots (trained observers or otherwise) are every bit as susceptible to disorientation as the rest of us mortals. And given our knowledge of these effects it really should temper our desire to cry ET when other, more mundane (and much more serious) factors are at play.

[CharveL]

Lixma, kudos to you for applying critical reasoning and logic to this subject. It really should be taught in schools from an early age.

Also props to Oldschool, Luisv, Rattlehead and Dutch for entering the debate with an open mind and calm demeanor. Too often, otherwise good natured debates of this sort get heated when one's long-held beliefs are challenged and I think that's a measure of intelligence, whatever any of us gets out of this by the time it gets locked down.

[Lixma]

I'm part of the Illuminati's disinformation bureau.

It's a living.