Bf-110 Dive Behavior

[Redroach]

Originally Posted by mattag08

Good to know. Other than that one characteristic, I like flying the 110. Hopefully it will be fixed soon.

side question: Did you have success with opening the canopy and closing it again? Or is this bug still there as well?

[Zorin]

Maximum permissible speed was 650km/h as stated by the official flight manual, which of course includes dive situations.

[robtek]

How often will this old news be posted again?

Yes, it is wrong!

Yes, the devs know about it!

Yes, it will be fixed!

So, satisfied?

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

Would that mean it would gain uncontrollable shaking 150kph earlier?

Well, I'd imaging that it would depend on the state of the dive and how it is executed. Though admittedly 500km/h is a bit early for any violent influences to take effect.

[JG52Karaya]

Originally Posted by Zorin

Maximum permissible speed was 650km/h as stated by the official flight manual, which of course includes dive situations.

That is the maximum safe diving limit, which normally has more or less of a threshold to it, doesnt mean that if you go 651km/h your aircraft would vapourize as in IL-2/CoD. I think we can safely assume another 50km/h on top of that speed before any critical structural damage would occur.

And while on topic: If we go by maximum safe diving speeds then all aircraft in IL-2/CoD are overmodelled

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by JG52Karaya

That is the maximum safe diving limit, which normally has more or less of a threshold to it, doesnt mean that if you go 651km/h your aircraft would vapourize as in IL-2/CoD. I think we can safely assume another 50km/h on top of that speed before any critical structural damage would occur.

And while on topic: If we go by maximum safe diving speeds then all aircraft in IL-2/CoD are overmodelled

Actually your VNE (Velocity Never Exceed) rely also on the air condition like outside pressure or turbulences. The more you get the less your VNE will be.

Have a look here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jklVp4Rcdc8

and switch to 7min. It explains how to dive a P47. Look how VNE decrease with alt.

[Redroach]

okay okay, you're all very wise and informed and such, but the thing is: The Bf110 starts shaking badly when exceeding 500kph...

[JG52Karaya]

Originally Posted by Redroach

okay okay, you're all very wise and informed and such, but the thing is: The Bf110 starts shaking badly when exceeding 500kph...

Which is due to the aircraft's max. dive speed being set too low (600km/h right now) and the sim engine starts this effect about 100km/h before the actual break up speed.

I think we already agreed that it is too low, so...?

[robtek]

No shaking should occur before vne!!

Vne is when the plane is becoming uncontrollable and/or starts loosing structural integrity.

Afaik vne for the earlier P-38 models, i. e., where when they lost elevator authority, not structural integrity, and varied with the altitude.