Micro-Stutters

Krupi isn't a fan boy, he's just very passionate about the game, I have talked and flown with him recently and he's a good lad, definately not a fanny.

[adonys]

I told you only to do it if you have at least 8 GB of ram.. doh!

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by adonys

I told you only to do it if you have at least 8 GB of ram.. doh!

I can run CloD without VM with 4GB of RAM in quick mission of London freeflight with all settings maxed out. Enough for testing.

No gains at all with your amazing "tweaks". My HD wasn't working like crazy using VM. Maybe "M$" can hire you to redesign all OS memory management, you must try!

Please, show us benchmarks of your results, or post more info about all gains in gaming with VM disable in W7, please! I'm really curious...

[Zaltor]

Originally Posted by adonys

I told you only to do it if you have at least 8 GB of ram.. doh!

I agree with LoBiSoMeM, infact you shouldnt disable page files under any O/S what you should do is set the initial and the max to the same value, that way it locks a sector of your HDD decreasing Seek times thus reducing stutters, The only time you should disable Paging is if you Have an SSD drive.

[adonys]

actually, if you want to keep the page file, you should:
- set it on another HDD than the one with the OS
- set it on it's own drive on that HDD (the first drive, with the clusters near the HDD's center are the best in terms of performance)
- the above points should be enough to make sure the page file it is not fragmented, but if you can't do the above points, then defrag the HDD/drive on which you want to set it, put it in there (thus the page file is not fragmented at creation) and lock it's size (custom size, min = max) in order to not have the OS fumble with it (to keep it not fragmented)

thing is: as it is SAFE & even ADVISABLE to disable the page file if you have a SSD, then logic should tell you you may run without it even if you don't have a SSD, but have enough memory.. rrrrright?!!

Things is this: the virtual memory concept is an OS mechanism to assure concurent running processes with enough memory, even if the RAM is not so big. Thus, it creates a virtual memory space (on which the RAM is mapped as a part, the rest of it being actually mapped on the paging file on your HDD) in which it allocates memory to all running processes. processes (& their threads) AND/OR data not ran/requested for a while are firstly moved from the RAM part of the virtual memory, to the HDD mapped part, and then back when they are needed (a process TRANSPARENT to the running processes (which know that they & their data are actually in "RAM" (actually VRAM)) and called swapping.

Windows OS tries to have free RAM all the time (just in case, even if all the running processes and their data would perfectly fit into RAM and still leave a lot of it free), and actually moves parts of the data of still running and having high CPU %time processes in the paging file as part of his "awesome and newly optimised" VRAM management routines. It did that in ALL M$ OSes and it still does in Win7 (though to a lesser degree than in the previous ones, it's true. they are really trying to fix and improve this mess).

Il2 CoD is trying to cache into RAM a very high amount of small files. As it is not using all of them all the time, some of them might be swapped by the OS into the paging file, and when IL2CoD requests them.. ooops! there's a RAM miss, and the OS is swapping them back into RAM from paging file. There you go, one possible explanation for IL2CoD's microstutters.

I've found out that disabling the paging file and aero theme and using max settings is the best combo will get rid of the infamous microstutters, for me at least.

I'm not trying to impress, or convince anyone, I was just sharing a thought I have regarding a possible explanation (and if you'll read my first post you will see I've said "Because Windows is known for using the swap file even if it has tons of memory free, and this might lead to the microstutters you all are complaining about..") and trying to help the others with my knowledge.

It seems like there's no need for that, and there are "smarter" ones knowing "better".

Be my guests, go on, you help them!

[David198502]

hey adonys!at least i appreciate your efforts to make the game more playable!
ignore this brick, he is screwing his vga all the time, but never posted something useful or constructive in this forum.

btw, : "Go to ..\steam\steamapps\common\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\ and right click on the Launcher.exe file and select properties. Go to Compatibility tab and check Disable visual themes, Disable desktop composition and Run this program as administrator.

By disabling the visual themes or desktop composition (I don't remember right now which of them), you might not be able to access the Save custom user settings window (as it 's a Windows window, so it would need those). You just uncheck that one when you need to save those, then check it back again, as you won't save those settings so often.

To disable Windows Indexing Service, you need to right click on My Computer, select Manage, then go to Service and Applications -> Services tree and look for the Windows Search service. Select it, right click on it and select properties and there put Startup type on Manual or Disabled and press the Stop button."

what will those two changes do to cod?is it advisable to try it even with less than 4gb of ram to disable the windows search service?what will "disabling visual themes" do to cod?
thx in advance for your answer.

[adonys]

Every other setting not related with paging file doesn't have anything to do with the amount of RAM, you can safely use then no matter what amount of RAM/page file you have.

The Windows search service is doing the indexing job (registering all the files on all your HDD's in index files, in order to speed up Windows' search function results (when you are using Windows' search function to find something on your system) and therefore constantly reading from all your HDDs and decreasing performance by using processors time and HDDs IO calls).

The others are just manually forcing off the Aero (which is a 3D interface) and Windows' desktop's visual enhancements while that program is running.

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Krupi isn't a fan boy, he's just very passionate about the game, I have talked and flown with him recently and he's a good lad, definately not a fanny.

Naaah he's a fanboy,and he's on my list as well.

(kidding,just kidding...)

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Naaah he's a fanboy,and he's on my list as well.

(kidding,just kidding...)

Lol, Tbh I think I'm on his list now for derailing his thread

Good news is that I expect LobiSoMeM will also soon be on the list

[adonys]

no, the fanboy list is for the ones mindlessly bashing of the so-called "whiners" truth be told, your entry on that list was kind of lightly, but I was really enraged at the time of the deniers' behavior and trash. if a thing is black, no amount of screaming that "it's actually white" won't make me see it as being white too

that was not about money, I would have paid twice or even more the price i did (16$ for the russian version and 50£ for the european CE one) if they would have said "look, we can't go on, we're out of funds and the game is not done yet. please help us help you!" because that it would have been (treated) fair. but the way they are going now it is not, and they seems to not comprehend that this might be their doom, and with it the doom of something I found and still find enjoyable.

sorry for OT.