19th I think Its Gonna

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

Hi Ali and Oddball. Luthier had posted here a couple of times here in response to concerns that the Moscow project would take over before CloD was fixed. He said that the development of BfM was being done externally.

WoW didnt know that, thats quite a revelation to reveal especially if its going to third party outside of 1C at this early stage of the game.

Hang on, didnt we see a 1C MG dev working on the radial during the meet the team update


So again I find myself wondering who to believe, luthier or the photo

Anyhow, Ataros i'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say a 3rd party dev like in RoF, I thought the dev team who made RoF made the planes too?

[Phazon]

I don't understand it either. As far as I'm aware its being worked on by the same people who made Cliffs of Dover which is 1C: Maddox Games. No-one has been able to provide a link to information that suggests otherwise which means its nothing more than a hoax at this stage.

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

Anyhow, Ataros i'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say a 3rd party dev like in RoF, I thought the dev team who made RoF made the planes too?

I did not say 3rd party. I said independent from any major publishers like UBI, EA or Codemasters which get more than half the money, fire company founder and force the game released not finished.

RoF has a publisher which is 777 but I would consider them an independent studio still as 777 is rather small compared to UBI. I would not be surprised if RoF team and 777 is a one legal entity making 777 rather a dev company than a publisher from my point of view.

The MG team may work part-time for UBI finishing the engine (depending on how much work-time UBI covers by their contract) and half time for another company making all add-ons (if this rumor is true). I am talking mostly about modelers who have nothing left to do for CloD. Then when contract with UBI is over MG may become an independent studio like RoF team or DCS and sell all add-ons directly without a major international publisher involvement. Just a possibility but a good one for end users I think as we would get same quality of product as RoF or DCS even if we have to pay more.

I would prefer to see direct link to luthier's post mentioned above it if anyone has it.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by Ataros

I did not say 3rd party. I said independent from any major publishers like UBI, EA or Codemasters which get more than half the money, fire company founder and force the game released not finished.

Do you mean Oleg? Is that your opinion? or you know this?
where are you getting your information from?

interesting. though i can see this being removed sharpish.

my take is that you mean externally from ubisoft ?. This makes a whole heap of sense to me. Ubi is the key to all this BS. i just knew it. If i was 14 and ubi was a guy id be aranging a fight with him down the local park right now .

The part im not happy about is 1C honesty in the fce of this BS. Why are they happy to let this semi conspiracy bubble to the surface.(i only say this coz they say sweet FA but we do know dont we???, Deep down we all know. why 1C why ?

[JG53Frankyboy]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

WoW didnt know that, thats quite a revelation to reveal especially if its going to third party outside of 1C at this early stage of the game.

Hang on, didnt we see a 1C MG dev working on the radial during the meet the team update
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and even more as Luthier confirmed it would ba a La5......................
Would not have expected a La5 is needed for a title called "Battle for Moskau".

But otherwise Luthier posted also in the past a WIP turret of the Moskau Kremlin and a singleseat IL2 ..........................

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

Would not have expected a La5 is needed for a title called "Battle for Moskau".

what do you mean by this. is it "LA5:BFM". i had joked about the IL2 name thing with a few peeps afore. and why not rename.. solves alot of issues.

[Ataros]

Everything I post is my opinion unless I provide a source for it.

What could be a reason for a company founder to abandon his most loved child? Only a conflict with a publisher.

Why do you think luthier and other devs several times mentioned that they can not provide more details on the reasons for this poor start? Only if they have a none-disclosure agreement. With whom do you usually sign a non-displeasure agreement? With someone who pays you money i.e. the publisher.

Who makes decision on date of release? Who approves the budget? Who cuts / reduces budget because of the financial crisis, who cuts devs salaries forcing them to leave?

We have a saying "He who pays money orders the music".

this is what ive been thinking since day 1 Ataros. i appreciate your POV and that there is no source. Funny that the few like minded individualls around here all believe similar.

anyway this non disclosure is going to have to be respected by ourselves, us mere forum users.

If this sim gets taken out of the hands of ubisoft 100% im all for it "hurrah". i will await and see what we are ment to be getting. Sad that 1C have done this but the future could be bright around here. i expect full details on this proper project before im going to buy into it though Because as of now this stupid rubbish that is COD is sacked by me, uninstalling now.

1C we would all appreciate your forthcomingness in the matters.i hope at 1C you realise many wont buy XXXX from you in the future because of this debacle. Turn it around please.

[JG53Frankyboy]

1C is also a publisher btw.......................

WHO forced anyone, if at all, we will never know i guess !

but that UBI is not saying anything about the US release, thats is for sure UBIs fault ! Community support from UBI seems zero. Might be not worth for UBI management to put any more effort in it.............