IL2 and Sound Modding

[robtek]

Originally Posted by stalkervision

As I see it you can choose to mod or not. Doesn't cost a thing. Many people can't choose to upgrade their computers. You can avoid the question by spinning the story any way that you like but a newer much faster system with a bigger monitor and all the perks is a REAL ADVANTAGE in on-line play.

and I really doubt people would be willing to put any handicaps whatever on their super duper top of the line systems to make it a real level playing field.

Better systems do enhance play Billfish. In this there is no doubt. I have gone online with sub-par systems and really good systems and the difference was like night and day.

@Stalkervision

are you really implementing that only people with "sub - standard" systems use these Hacks to even out the gameplay?
When i still was playing ADW even people with high end systems tuned their systems way down to get an advantage in spotting the enemy earlier.(I stopped playing there because of to much Hack - Cheating)
Usually at 1024x768 (native for IL2) with 16 bit color and all effects at minimum settings.
At these settings even a "sub - standard" system runs quite well.
And for the internet connection you also mentioned somewhere, a lag is a lag is a lag and no hack will change that.

best wishes

robtek

[Spectrum]

There are also a number of interesting new maps in development.
This is one which covers Battle of France, Dunkirk, Dieppe Raid and Ardennes 1944 as well as no end of cross channel raid missions. The map extends from Dieppe to Aachen and Sedan to Rotterdam. Isn't this worth having?

[jasonbirder]

One thing I can quite plainly see from reading the latter part of this discussion is that online players are obsessed with cheating, fairness, level playing fields and dishonesty.
It must be a peculiarly joyless pastime if you can't trust the people you are playing with and you constantly obsess about whether the so called "friends" you are playing with are trying to get "one over on you".

[robtek]

@ jasonbirder

of course the online - community is very interested in fairness and against dishonesty and cheating.
Aren´t you ???
And i can talk only for me, but i wouldn´t call anybody a friend whom i only know online.
When i play online there are players from all over the world and it is statistically unavoidable not to have some dishonest and or cheating people amongst them.
Maybe i wont meet them again if ever, but those people are able to take the fun out of this game at that time for me.

There is another post who shows a new map, now that is a different pair of shoes.
It would really be great to get new maps as they are equal for everybody, but it has to be officially approved by OM and i think with SOWBOB at the Horizon a Channel Map is contraindicated.

best wishes

robtek

[Spectrum]

Originally Posted by robtek

@ jasonbirder
There is another post who shows a new map, now that is a different pair of shoes.
It would really be great to get new maps as they are equal for everybody, but it has to be officially approved by OM and i think with SOWBOB at the Horizon a Channel Map is contraindicated

On the site where the map work is posted there have been various requests to extend the map west to allow more BoB type scenarios. The mapmaker has stated quite clearly that they do not intend to do this because of possible conflict with OM SoWBoB. The main aim of the map shown is to cover Battle of France, although it will also facilitate other scenarios. In any event I don't think the two are really in conflict because the technical standard of SoW is going to be so far in advance of IL-2.

[jasonbirder]

Its not an issue for me because I never fly on Hyper Lobby Open Dogfight Servers…when I do fly with others its with a few people who I know in the “real world” on a peer to peer basis – so unfairness, dishonesty and cheating aren’t an issue…I don’t have to worry about cheating, I don’t have to worry about bad sportsmanship, bad language or name-calling on teamspeak or stupid comments in the chat line…I can just enjoy it in the company of friends!
The point I was trying to make is that if online cheating is a problem…its not the fault of third party modifications, it’s the fault of people who are using them in in-appropriate situations – and that can only be changed either by stronger sever administration, password only or subscription based servers or by flying with people you know.
As long as you fly with anonymous people in a dogfight server where a “win at all costs” stat driven mentality prevails then cheating or bad sportsmanship is something that will concern you…and that is something that has existed long before the development of the current, third party mods.

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

Its not an issue for me because I never fly on Hyper Lobby Open Dogfight Servers…when I do fly with others its with a few people who I know in the “real world” on a peer to peer basis – so unfairness, dishonesty and cheating aren’t an issue…I don’t have to worry about cheating, I don’t have to worry about bad sportsmanship, bad language or name-calling on teamspeak or stupid comments in the chat line…I can just enjoy it in the company of friends!
The point I was trying to make is that if online cheating is a problem…its not the fault of third party modifications, it’s the fault of people who are using them in in-appropriate situations – and that can only be changed either by stronger sever administration, password only or subscription based servers or by flying with people you know.
As long as you fly with anonymous people in a dogfight server where a “win at all costs” stat driven mentality prevails then cheating or bad sportsmanship is something that will concern you…and that is something that has existed long before the development of the current, third party mods.

+1 I see cheating every time I go into a public dogfight server,every time,and it has nothing to do with mods.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

The point I was trying to make is that if online cheating is a problem…its not the fault of third party modifications, it’s the fault of people who are using them in in-appropriate situations –

Oh boy you sure got carried away there.The point is false simply because the sim was not meant for open modding.The developper did not open it, so hackers` interference is the source of the chaos that will surely plague online. It was meant to be closed, they opened it, they take the responsibility for destroying online IL2 gaming and BTW the whole online IL2 community. The point is you did not get any kind of developper acceptation on this. Detaching yourself from consequences of such an event is a one big lie. You know damn good that you make damage.

and that can only be changed either by stronger sever administration, password only or subscription based servers or by flying with people you know.
As long as you fly with anonymous people in a dogfight server where a “win at all costs” stat driven mentality prevails then cheating or bad sportsmanship is something that will concern you…and that is something that has existed long before the development of the current, third party mods.

Newsflash dude - your hacker heroes don`t give a damn about preventing the obvious consequences for online playing.
HL is an environment that is you want to fly coops you are sentenced to flying with people you don`t know because at least 16 players are required to make some of it. To make online sessions merely smooth ie. going constantly you need to multiply that number by at least 10. If HL at rushhours counts up to 1200 players then it is much too small to afford closed sessions. Show me someone who knows 160 people online and is 100% sure they won`t cheat.Nothing like that exists in HL. Because for all you know ONE of them in each coop spoils the entertainment FOR EVERYONE.

You and me agree that bad sportsmanship is always there when you keep playin with unknown people.
The difference here is that you don`t know the first thing about online play via HL so you keep making up wrong conclusions based on games with much bigger online crowds.