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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 07-03-2011, 10:09 PM
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CloD's landscape is pretty poor-quality work, with even simple things like the colours of the trees (darker than the fields, in real life) being wrong. I suspect that their budget was so small that they couldn't afford to send someone to the UK and hire an aircraft to check it out for themselves. I did get a smile from Luthier's description of their landscape guy as a "genius", however. Incidentally, I spent an hour today flying over SW England and think they could still make some useful progress just by changing tree colours etc. But the sad truth is that this is one area where CloD lags some way behind other sims.
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:30 PM
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So you can see..
Forward to about 2.35, unless you want to see Ewan hugging a Spitfire.

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Old 07-03-2011, 10:41 PM
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excellent video thanks for sharing
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:56 PM
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So you can see..
Forward to about 2.35, unless you want to see Ewan hugging a Spitfire.

Thanks for posting this Winny:
The devs could help themselves a lot if they could see the whole program. Especially the SOUND developer.
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Old 07-03-2011, 11:29 PM
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So you can see..
Forward to about 2.35, unless you want to see Ewan hugging a Spitfire.

this is such an AMAZING video. watching this gives me chills and put a wide smile on my face. it just hands down, BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-04-2011, 12:15 AM
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The problem is that when you fly COD at 12:00 midday you are flying on a perfect day.
You know those days where it's a brilliant blue sky and the sun is making everything so bright you have to squint, and everyone is in a great mood?

I've never lived in Kent etc., but I lived in London for a while. Most of the year the UK has clouds and it's either raining, has rained, or rain is on it's way in the near future. Then once in a while you get those brilliant blue sky days where the whole area looks transformed.

So what's missing is the dynamic weather, fly COD at different times of day and it looks amazing under different lighting. I agree the current landscape looks a bit off, but I think it's also because the air is far too clear, there's no haze, fog, smog etc, especially over London, London should be covered in sooty smoke.

Ewan is not flying on one of those bright middays in this video, ( I scanned through it but not that I can see). He's flying on a average UK day, and that's why it looks familiar.

Obviously as a landscape base, the devs have to model a perfect day, and then add weather and lighting effects on top. They also have to make sure that the landscape looks good at all altitudes from the ground up to 8000m.

In the current version when you fly a normal mission in COD, it is without the dynamic weather so you are pretty much flying on a perfect day with maybe a smattering of clouds here and there.

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Old 07-04-2011, 12:37 AM
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I've never seen England with my own eyes, and know better than to trust the colors of an image recorded in any format, so can't really form an opinion about how authentic the colors are...

I think this sim hasn't had quite enough attention paid to how beautifully all the different hours of the day are rendered. It's really amazing how much detail is in there. Pick a mission, any mission, and just change the start time in one hour increments. Everything in the sim very gradually changes with the clock, and it's beautiful. High noon, which so many missions unfortunately default to, is probably the least visually interesting hour in Dover. Mornings and evenings are the best.
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Old 07-04-2011, 01:20 AM
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I've never seen England with my own eyes, and know better than to trust the colors of an image recorded in any format, so can't really form an opinion about how authentic the colors are...

I think this sim hasn't had quite enough attention paid to how beautifully all the different hours of the day are rendered. It's really amazing how much detail is in there. Pick a mission, any mission, and just change the start time in one hour increments. Everything in the sim very gradually changes with the clock, and it's beautiful. High noon, which so many missions unfortunately default to, is probably the least visually interesting hour in Dover. Mornings and evenings are the best.
Yes, they've done a good job with the changing hues for different times of day. It is important though to start with a correct slate to take advantage of the time of day adjustments. Rain and plants make green. You can have the brightest, sunniest day with no haze - but it doesn't change the colour of chlorophyl. Water and plants make green regardless. In the video it doesn't matter what time of day the shots were taken, the countryside is still green - not yellow, beige or golden. The British Isles are a lush garden environment. Thats why they have the greatest variety of fauna and flora on this planet for any given location. The closest in North America to this environment is the west coast of Canada, specifically Victoria BC.

This sim has been in development for so long and so much time spent on issues like vehicles, and trains and buildings (IMHO at the expense of sound and avionics and interface) that the least they should come up with is the correct colour of the landscape. (and the correct sound of the Merlin engine )

Don't get me wrong, I love this sim and admire the efforts in getting it right. I've been flying IL2 since it first came out and many other sims before that. I guess I'm getting a bit critical with my expectations of getting it right considering the time and effort and PR over the last few years on it being the best thing since sliced bread. I hope the devs get it right but right now considering the sound and the environment and their track record in IL2 in these areas I have to say I'm skeptical. If it wasn't for third party developers in IL2 I would have put it to bed long ago.

Keep the comments coming. I think that the devs will make use of any critique that helps them to further refine what hopefully will turn out to be all that we hope it will be.

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Old 07-04-2011, 02:29 AM
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As someone who has lived most of his life in the south of England I can assure you that the landscape is not always a lush green garden. It can look totally different in August from its appearance in June, when it is mostly green.

The events of the BoB take place around harvest time. The predominant crop is wheat. Wheatfields at harvest time (and the stubble fields that are left afterwards) are some hue of gold/sand/brown, not green.

Even pasture land will look gold/brown after a couple of weeks in the summer without rain. Contrary to what some people seem to think, it does not rain every day in England.

Having said all or that I agree that the specific colour palette was poorly chosen.
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CloD's landscape is pretty poor-quality work, with even simple things like the colours of the trees (darker than the fields, in real life) being wrong. I suspect that their budget was so small that they couldn't afford to send someone to the UK and hire an aircraft to check it out for themselves. I did get a smile from Luthier's description of their landscape guy as a "genius", however. Incidentally, I spent an hour today flying over SW England and think they could still make some useful progress just by changing tree colours etc. But the sad truth is that this is one area where CloD lags some way behind other sims.
Interesting observation. My take on the landscape at this time is that it is more like the Russian Steppes than the UK. Too many grain fields and dry looking. Also, the airfields look clumpy with big grass tufts on the ground. Those fields were pretty well mowed and more like a football pitch than an unkempt farmfield in a dry climate.
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