Where are the game elements in this sim?

tbh I would rather donate 45 bucks I spent for CLOD - to ROF team, than to fill the whiny failures pockets (1C)...that simple...I dont even play CLOD because its not performing good on my (powerfull enough) rig, with all the optimisations and tweaks, and I dont like the ugly bright vivid cartoonish landscape, dont like the lack of proper AA....etc etc....etc..funny thing is that I cant even sell the damn failure since its connected with crap like Steam.....

I hope I will get over it soon as 45 bucks for central european guy is alot of money spent on crap..otherwise I would not bother and consider this as thank you for il2 orig and goodbye

I guess we would have more "whiners" (more angry customers in fact) that everybody knows the truth...which is - they knew right before the release that the game wasnt finished and optimised well....so they lied in our faces...hey spit in my face...what they can expect from me in return more than my money? probably to be a hypnotised die hard fun like some on this board....

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

I hope I will get over it soon as 45 bucks for central european guy is alot of money spent on crap..otherwise I would not bother and consider this as thank you for il2 orig and goodbye

Yeah, whatever. If you think that 45$ is a lot of money than I don`t think you should have bought it. Maybe you should THINK before you buy a game. Because if 45$ is a lot for you then maybe you should CHECK before you buy? Hmm?

Sims cost money, nothing new here. You gotta be prepared for spending money. If you can`t afford to spend 45$ in a manner you wouldn`t care for it too much, then I don`t think you are financially fit to the genre.

Same here. Central Europe. Over 40€ spent on the CE. Am I complaining?

Originally Posted by carguy_

Yeah, whatever. If you think that 45$ is a lot of money than I don`t think you should have bought it. Maybe you should THINK before you buy a game. Because if 45$ is a lot for you then maybe you should CHECK before you buy? Hmm?

Sims cost money, nothing new here. You gotta be prepared for spending money. If you can`t afford to spend 45$ in a manner you wouldn`t care for it too much, then I don`t think you are financially fit to the genre.

Same here. Central Europe. Over 40€ spent on the CE. Am I complaining?

Well I bought CLOD the because I trusted them (IL2 experience), and they released misleading vids and pics like the game is finished and smooth as silk....also they included anti epilepsy filter just before release not telling us anything..one patch brings performance increase for some and for some drop in performance...next patch other way around...we are in a never ending circle here....

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

Well I bought CLOD the because I trusted them (IL2 experience), and they released misleading vids and pics like the game is finished and smooth as silk....also they included anti epilepsy filter just before release not telling us anything..one patch brings performance increase for some and for some drop in performance...next patch other way around...we are in a never ending circle here....

I can't help but think you are - and probably should be - mostly mad at yourself for not waiting a week or two for reviews before parting with that small fortune you paid.

I have to agree completely with addman that even an optimist like myself is almost appalled at the complete lack of content to utilize what is an incredible amount of detail in the FM and DM.

The damage model alone has kept me interested - along with the fact I haven't been able to fire up the sim more than once every few days or so lately - and flying low and slow over the terrific landscape is an order of magnitude better than '46 even with mods.

Personally I didn't mind dropping $45 even at the alpha state it was released in, instead of waiting another year for a more complete product but it was not very smart of them to go about it the way they did. So much angst would have been allayed if they simply announced a full-priced paid open beta before US release. I would have still been first in line and those that wanted to save it for a more complete game could have waited.

Meantime I'm going to start looking for some user made missions.

[addman]

Originally Posted by CharveL

I can't help but think you are - and probably should be - mostly mad at yourself for not waiting a week or two for reviews before parting with that small fortune you paid.

I have to agree completely with addman that even an optimist like myself is almost appalled at the complete lack of content to utilize what is an incredible amount of detail in the FM and DM.

The damage model alone has kept me interested - along with the fact I haven't been able to fire up the sim more than once every few days or so lately - and flying low and slow over the terrific landscape is an order of magnitude better than '46 even with mods.

Personally I didn't mind dropping $45 even at the alpha state it was released in, instead of waiting another year for a more complete product but it was not very smart of them to go about it the way they did. So much angst would have been allayed if they simply announced a full-priced paid open beta before US release. I would have still been first in line and those that wanted to save it for a more complete game could have waited.

Meantime I'm going to start looking for some user made missions.

Thanks for recognising that I'm not a "whiner", I've been around since IL-2 pre-release and I consider myself a fan and an optimist but this game is really pushing my patience.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by addman

I'm glad that works for you but let me give you an example of my situation. I'd like to play a quite long Stuka campaign with medals and promotions right now problem is there is none so I have to wait for someone to make one because I don't have the time and I also don't want to know every little detail about the mission that I'm about to fly. As I said before though, maybe I had the wrong expectations on this game. I'm not shelving the game, I'm just not playing it at the moment, hopefully the almighty community will produce some cool stuff within a year or so and I can actually start playing the game instead of just tweaking it.

Nothing wrong with your preference. I too have limited experience with mission building (i only got to grips with the FMB in IL2:1946 a few months ago, to build a practice coop that i could fly with a buddy i brought back into the hobby) and i value having some surprises during the course of a mission.

That being said, i remember the first IL2 back in 2001 and it was a very similar affair, completely scripted campaigns.
It took quite some time before a dynamic campaign was implemented (which was more of a random mission generator with no real link between the outcomes of a mission and the nature of the next one), the same for medals and promotions.

I think Charvel is also correct, they could have made this a "pre-order and get access to open beta" affair and nobody would complain. I mean, look at DCS A-10, a lot of people had all sorts of bugs and stability problems but the developers didn't get that much flak because people were told they were testing.

So yes, the PR for CoD should have been handled better but what's done is done, let's start looking forward.
Bad PR decisions don't mean that there's not a constant, underlying stroke of brilliance in the sim or that it won't mature into something good given some time. I'm not denying there are issues, i just don't think they'll remain unfixed for long. In the meantime, i'll download that new user-made Spitfire campaign (by DFlion i think? there's a separate topic for that in these forums) and fly it, this will keep me busy for a while more until extra patching is done.

What it all boils down to is "do i have enough to keep my busy while they fix the stuff that's not working?". I had enough and before i could exhaust them all new additions are coming and my playtime is somewhat limited currently. By the time i've flown through the two stock and the new user made campaign some issues with the bombers might have been fixed. Then, while i'm spending time learning how to level bomb something else will be fixed and i'll jump to that once i'm done with the bombers and so on

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by addman

Thanks for recognising that I'm not a "whiner", I've been around since IL-2 pre-release and I consider myself a fan and an optimist but this game is really pushing my patience.

I'm probably one of the few here who can tell the difference and don't have to overreact to others overreactions.

In fact, for the few times in a week I can dust off CloD I've been getting total screen lock-ups whenever I try to finish a campaign mission. This usually happens by the end of my take-off run or thereabouts.

So I either have to fly another SP mission or just say it's not worth it and move on to some other game. The only difference is I don't get all worked up about it like some here in bananaville and don't mind waiting until they sort it out.

cheers