German Prop Pitch Lever

[JG53Frankyboy]

Originally Posted by xnomad

My thoughts exactly, I just use the throttle lever on my joystick as prop pitch and it's really easy as you just memorise the positions but if it isn't realistic then it's got to go.

i personaly hope if/when this will be changed, the 109's propeller pitch is still controlable with a radial axis (i have mapped the pitch on the thump wheel of my X52 Throttle) and we are not forced to map two new buttons , a "increase" and "decrease" propeller pitch button, espacially for the 109........

[xnomad]

I've mapped the prop pitch to hat buttons on my CH pro throttle now instead of an axis (to be more realistic)

However in the current implementation you hit the switch once and the clock arms start spinning until they get to their new position. The movement is random and imprecise ranging from about 35 minutes to 40.You don't know where the hands are going to stop.

I wonder if it was like this in real life? It would be easier if the minute hands movement was proportional to how long you hold the switch down, i.e. let go and the hand stops moving. Of course this means the clock indicates the pitch you've selected and not the current pitch settings as it takes the prop a while to cycle, as shown in it's current form.

In the current form you don't actually know what setting you have selected until it stops spinning so if you hit it quite often it could go back several hours and you don't notice until it keeps spinning past what you wanted. If it's realistic then so be it, but it does seem wrong and not helpful for the pilot.

Does anyone have any information on how this worked?

Anyone have any contact with Russell Aviation Group who have that Bf109 E?

[JG53Frankyboy]

Originally Posted by xnomad

I've mapped the prop pitch to hat buttons on my CH pro throttle now instead of an axis (to be more realistic)

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well, as long the CoD 109 has no thumb switch on its throttle you have to map these buttons on your Keayboard to get 'realism' i would guess

no offence !!

[xnomad]

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

well, as long the CoD 109 has no thumb switch on its throttle you have to map these buttons on your Keayboard to get 'realism' i would guess

no offence !!

No you are right. I just don't want to map prop pitch 3 times. I'm banking on the E4 having the rocker switch.

I found this info on what I was talking about earlier, and it seems to agree with my ideas about the switch having to be held down. I have no idea what the source is but I think 'Wastel' was on the Ubi boards?

http://marseillegruppe.com/foro/view...f328cb9d3b84f4

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by xnomad

No you are right. I just don't want to map prop pitch 3 times. I'm banking on the E4 having the rocker switch.

I found this info on what I was talking about earlier, and it seems to agree with my ideas about the switch having to be held down. I have no idea what the source is but I think 'Wastel' was on the Ubi boards?

http://marseillegruppe.com/foro/view...f328cb9d3b84f4

Hi.

This very interesting topic, who wrote the original post (schwarze-man), it is possible to contact him somewhere? I did not find it in my documents from the velocity of the propeller pitch accurate information.

But, if this true:
"The prop will adjust its pitch at a speed of 1.5° (degrees) per second for as long as the rocker switch is held and then stop when the switch is released. The movement of the pitch indicator is clockwise=fine,anti-clockwise=coarse. 1 Hour=6°,10min=1° so,1.5°/sec is 15min/sec or 1hour in 4sec! The range of the propellor is from 12.30 (full fine) to 08.30 (full coarse) and this equates to a pitch range of 22° to 46° "

...It is necessary to fix this in the game then! In COD (1.01.14588 patch), PP moving from 08:30 to 12:00 (21°) takes 58 sec! This means it, that PP moving speed 0.36°/sec. Compared with the value written early (1.5°/sec, or even in other documents 1°/sec), this huge difference, huge disadvantage (totally irrelevant, that PP are automatic or manual)! Some authentic source would be very good from this.

[xnomad]

The speed seemed fine after the patch, but now the hotfix has definitely slowed it down. It can't be realistic now because, as you mentioned, it takes forever to move and is a serious disadvantage in a fight.

I've seen the degrees per second mentioned somewhere else, I'll have to dig it up again.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by xnomad

I've seen the degrees per second mentioned somewhere else, I'll have to dig it up again.

Yes, I remembered something like this. Great, thx.

[IvanK]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

Hi.

This very interesting topic, who wrote the original post (schwarze-man), it is possible to contact him somewhere? I did not find it in my documents from the velocity of the propeller pitch accurate information.

But, if this true:
"The prop will adjust its pitch at a speed of 1.5° (degrees) per second for as long as the rocker switch is held and then stop when the switch is released. The movement of the pitch indicator is clockwise=fine,anti-clockwise=coarse. 1 Hour=6°,10min=1° so,1.5°/sec is 15min/sec or 1hour in 4sec! The range of the propellor is from 12.30 (full fine) to 08.30 (full coarse) and this equates to a pitch range of 22° to 46° "

...It is necessary to fix this in the game then! In COD (1.01.14588 patch), PP moving from 08:30 to 12:00 (21°) takes 58 sec! This means it, that PP moving speed 0.36°/sec. Compared with the value written early (1.5°/sec, or even in other documents 1°/sec), this huge difference, huge disadvantage (totally irrelevant, that PP are automatic or manual)! Some authentic source would be very good from this.

Schwarze-man has been responsible for a number of DB605 engine restorations he is about as "experten" on DB engines as you are going to get !

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by IvanK

Schwarze-man has been responsible for a number of DB605 engine restorations he is about as "experten" on DB engines as you are going to get !

I did not know him, but im spoken with Kürfürst an afternoon, he said who he is. He tries to establish the contact with him (there were a couple of exchanges of e-mails with years before). But - according to these - he totally reliable source, there is not a claim onto an other document. Right?

[Varrattu]

Originally Posted by xnomad

I've mapped the prop pitch to hat buttons on my CH pro throttle now instead of an axis (to be more realistic)

However in the current implementation you hit the switch once and the clock arms start spinning until they get to their new position. The movement is random and imprecise ranging from about 35 minutes to 40.You don't know where the hands are going to stop.

Does anyone have any information on how this worked?

Pressing the two-way rocker switch up, the RPM increase , by pressing down RPM decrease. The original switch returns automatically to neutral.

From version E-4, the switch was replaced by a thumb switch on the throttle. The opening in the instrument board was sealed with blank sheet metal. Marked on the instrument board: E9.

The original pitch indicator "clock" is graduated so that 1 hour equals 6° of blade pitch or, 10 minutes equals 1°. The Bf 109E-3 VDM propellor can be placed in any position from 22.5° (fine pitch/high speed) to 90° (fully feathered) by 1-minute steps, equals 0,1° blade pitch.

Happy landings

Varrattu

As an aside. The range of the BF109E-3 propellor (CloD beta v14413) is from 12.00 full fine to 02:40 full coarse. ClOD BF109E-3 Propeller pitch comes with available positions in 5% increments from 0% to 100%, control can also be assigned to an axis that allows "finer" control at 1% increments. Assuming, that 10 minutes on the pitch indicator "clock" equals 1° you are able to adjust the pitch in steps by 5,6 minutes. I wonder if this equals a pitch range of 90°-22,5°=67,5°.