Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Roadmap

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by _Watchdog

@David Hayward - I bought the game the day it was released, based on the fact that I have every other iteration of IL2!

Then you bought the game expecting them to fix it if there were problems. Stop whining.

Originally Posted by _Watchdog

It is people like you David that give developers an open door to delivery a shoddy game and attempt to patch it after it is released. There is no emphasis on delivering a workable game on release day, for they know that they will get their money and will patch the problems at a later date. We have the right to get what we pay for and what the developers claim the game to be.

It's not me. They get to release an incomplete product because they don't have any competition. If you don't like this game you don't have any other options for WW2 flight sims.

[Geronimo989]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

If you don't like this game you don't have any other options for WW2 flight sims.

So true! I could never return to IL-2 after I've seen this level of detail in a combat flight sim.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

It's not me. They get to release an incomplete product because they don't have any competition.

Exactly. And it's not because they have a monopoly, they don't have competition because software publishers don't risk their money on niches like this.

You need to accept the basic limitations that are practically a given for a flight sim like this:
1) Lack of funding, meaning a small development team and a long time to develop.
2) The possibility the developers will be short of money and pressured to release the game before it's ready, leading to a buggy release.
3) The fact that this sim is a lot more demanding on hardware than your basic shoot 'em up. I don't even know where to start when explaining how complex this game is, it's crazy stuff.

What we have got has the potential to be amazing and without rival. If that's what you're after, great, support the game and the developers. If you think we're all sad geeks (well, we are) and you think the world would be better if we stopped playing games, carry on with your whining, great job.

[Scarecrow]

Keep up the good work gents! Six months from now you'll be basking in the glory of having produced another flight sim phenomenon, and the criticism of the last week will be a vague and distant memory whilst you're enjoying some well earned R&R.

[_Watchdog]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Then you bought the game expecting them to fix it if there were problems. Stop whining.

Not quite, I bought the game because I saw it was finally released and as anyone should expect, I believed that the game was finished and ready to go.

Originally Posted by David Hayward

It's not me. They get to release an incomplete product because they don't have any competition. If you don't like this game you don't have any other options for WW2 flight sims.

I can't see the point in defending developers for delivering incomplete products. Would you be so willing to defend say Sony or Samsung for giving you a monitor or TV that doesn't work yet, but they plan on getting it working for you sometime in the future? This is no difference, despite what you believe.

There are competing products, none a new release like Cliffs of Dover, but Wings of Prey is competant and IL2 Sturmovik would be no. 1 given that it actually works!

[ARGH]

what about FFB? why are you keeping us in the dark about this? shouldn't this be part of your roadmap?!

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by _Watchdog

I can't see the point in defending developers for delivering incomplete products. Would you be so willing to defend say Sony or Samsung for giving you a monitor or TV that doesn't work yet, but they plan on getting it working for you sometime in the future? This is no difference, despite what you believe.

There are competing products, none a new release like Cliffs of Dover, but Wings of Prey is competant and IL2 Sturmovik would be no. 1 given that it actually works!

I'm not really defending them. I'm just pointing out that you don't have any other options. WoP is a console game. It's not in the same league as CoD. It's not even in the same league as IL-2. It stayed on my hard drive for about a month (while I mostly played RoF).

There is a huge difference between Sony and CoD. Sony has competition. CoD does not.

BTW, I love RoF. I think it would be great if 777 made a WW2 sim. But, considering the debut of RoF, their WW2 sim would probably be no better than CoD at release.

Originally Posted by _Watchdog

Not quite, I bought the game because I saw it was finally released and as anyone should expect, I believed that the game was finished and ready to go.

That was, to be kind, naive. I thought it was pretty obvious that it was going to have problems. I would have bought it anyways. Unfortunately, I still have to wait for a few weeks.

[Zimbower]

I question to dev team have you guys learned anything from old misstakes in il2? spit at mom is UFOjust pull the damn stick back to botton off you go in infite circle.

AI or player? Have you flown Spit yourself? I cannot pull the stick to bottom. If you can show me, I want to be able to do that.