Game is Unplayable

Originally Posted by bongodriver

let's ask this one then, if having spent the money bothers you so much, considering it has been released for all of 4 days, perhaps anyone wanting to make sure they were purchasing a flawless and perfect product would wait untill some good reviews were available to help with the decision, just like when buying a TV, given that everyone has included in the general complaining that this seems to be the way all games are released (with early bugs) then why are you so surprised???? I suggest you have no one else to blame but yourselves for not being astute enough to wait a few months/years for the game to have received it's ultimate patch (because we all know the final patch fixes everything for everyone) and as an added bonus the cost may have come down by the too.

Feel free to correct me If i am wrong, but after the problems that were highlighted via the Russian forums the blame was put squarely at the feet of the Epilepsy Filter, this once removed was supposed to fix the game and it was announced that the patch would be available to European market at the time of download, there was no mention about multi core not functioning correctly, no mention of multiplayer issues, no mention of graphical anomalies, no mention that SLI had never been tested, no mention of no 64bit support, No mention that you could fly through Tree's, No mention of FM and ballistic problems, and no mention that aircraft could fly about with a wing missing. The list of smaller unmentionables is even longer. I am not saying that this game is worthless, if it gets fixed it will be a massive step forward in terms of aircraft models and damage models, but to release the product in its current state surely has the potential to cause such a backlash against the Dev's that it will do far more harm than good, you only have to look at other forums to see that the backlash as already started. I really cannot imagine what politics were involved in releasing this product but they sure as hell misjudged the mood of the flight sim community.

[bongodriver]

Yeah because the flight sim community is awash with choice after all, can barely move for high fidelity simulators being released every five seconds, I feel sorry for those console gamers......if flight sims keep getting released at this rate then console games will loose out on funding for development and be consigned to the history books.....

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Feel free to correct me If i am wrong, but after the problems that were highlighted via the Russian forums the blame was put squarely at the feet of the Epilepsy Filter, this once removed was supposed to fix the game

Honestly Tree, hand on heart, you are wrong:
1) From the start, it was possible to play the Russian version with the epilepsy filter off, and even then everyone knew the game wasn't smooth and without issues.
2) The development team said they'd spent the last 3 months trying to sort out the epilepsy issue, and hadn't been working on optimising the game as they had expected to.

there was no mention about multi core not functioning correctly, no mention of multiplayer issues, no mention of graphical anomalies, no mention that SLI had never been tested, no mention of no 64bit support, No mention that you could fly through Tree's, No mention of FM and ballistic problems, and no mention that aircraft could fly about with a wing missing.

All of this information was available before the game was released outside of Russia, because people on this forum were playing the game. Show us the posts where those people said there were no (or even only a few) issues with the game.

I am not saying that this game is worthless, if it gets fixed it will be a massive step forward in terms of aircraft models and damage models, but to release the product in its current state surely has the potential to cause such a backlash against the Dev's that it will do far more harm than good

Well that's the thing - the game has taken longer in development than the team expected, and presumably cost more, and they don't know how much they'd get back. So presumably they needed to release the game to get some money for it to continue. Is that ideal - obviously not. But this is the reality for a game like this.

It's just too early 4 days after release to be writing it off. It would be more interesting to know what it will be like in 2 or 3 months. Presumably you'd be delighted if it was in a good state to play in 3 months time?

[klem]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

Honestly Tree, hand on heart, you are wrong:
1) From the start, it was possible to play the Russian version with the epilepsy filter off, and even then everyone knew the game wasn't smooth and without issues.
2) The development team said they'd spent the last 3 months trying to sort out the epilepsy issue, and hadn't been working on optimising the game as they had expected to.

All of this information was available before the game was released outside of Russia, because people on this forum were playing the game. Show us the posts where those people said there were no (or even only a few) issues with the game.

Well that's the thing - the game has taken longer in development than the team expected, and presumably cost more, and they don't know how much they'd get back. So presumably they needed to release the game to get some money for it to continue. Is that ideal - obviously not. But this is the reality for a game like this.

It's just too early 4 days after release to be writing it off. It would be more interesting to know what it will be like in 2 or 3 months. Presumably you'd be delighted if it was in a good state to play in 3 months time?

+1

I don't really care about the current state of the game, given I and many others can fly it without much trouble. Basically it works on reasonable PCs. The things that are wrong are the tip of the product iceberg when you think about the amount if work that goes into a product like this.

It isn't right yet, its a shame but that's how it is. Was it released at £35 on purpose? I expected to pay £50 plus. Maybe money was the issue.

I would rather have it now the way it is now than wait another year. I am happy to report bugs and speed up the 'testing' effort if that's the way some people see it.

As some guys have said, where are you going to get a another new combat sim of the calibre this undoubtedly will be? It's overdue and buggy but if it wasn't available at all (like say MG went out of business for lack of money) where would you go for your next good combat sim? IL-2 is ok, with or without mods, but its dated and the FMs needed improving.

So, yes, its not right yet but if that bothers you, return it or turn it off until its better. If it cost you £35/$50 and you are saving for or buying a new rig then the game price is neither here nor there. In any case its a cheap investment for what it is going to be.

We get the message, now please stop bloating the threads that are trying to be constructive by dragging up the same old complaints. At least try to be constructive.

[nearmiss]

1+

If we pay the 50 for it and it's not done.... so what

I'd pay the 50 just to participate and beta test it as long as it we have the developers attention.

We'll end up getting more of what we really want.

Afterall, the bar has been set very darned high to start from the developer. ---- maybe too high.

We have a release candidate of the BOB COD, and by darned I'm happy about it.

I'm already reading some good feedback, and it will get better.

NO sirs, I'm so glad we have a release and we don't have to read another year of groans and whines about a release date, when will it go gold,etc.

I'm not buying all the junk talk

[Sasha]

Besides all these ufinished elements of game... there are some elements that will hardly be finished or improved.

Development team are simply not gifted to create landscape textures and visuals... basically it is hardly improved from Fogotten Battles time.

As game becomes available in Western Europe - it is more obvious that landscape is not at 2011 level... and simply doesn't look like Britain.
Also it seems very cartoonish (Flaming cliffs 2 or A-10 have more realistic landscapes...)

Contrary to that, there are many, many - very talented moders who made gorgeous looking maps for Il2-1946 and if we take a look at 20 best maps for Il2-1946 - none of them is made by official team.

Why is that army of amateur artists ignored by Oleg ?
Is there any chance that developers would give them support to improve existing textures or produce new maps ?

[bongodriver]

Besides all these ufinished elements of game... there are some elements that will hardly be finished or improved.

Bold statement, what exactly do you imply will not be improved?

Development team are simply not gifted to create landscape textures and visuals... basically it is hardly improved from Fogotten Battles time.

by this insult to the devs one can assume you are a highly talented programmer? what is your portfolio I'd love to see some of your marvellous work

As game becomes available in Western Europe - it is more obvious that landscape is not at 2011 level... and simply doesn't look like Britain.
Also it seems very cartoonish (Flaming cliffs 2 or A-10 have more realistic landscapes...)

what, you mean DCS A-10, that game which was released as a beta, and Flaming cliffs 2, wasn't that a sequel to LOMAC (notorious for being a slideshow)
I'd love to play the version of forgotten battles you are playing, but from what I have seen ClOD kicks it's head in and rapes it's mother, it's a shame it won't be moddable.......just like IL2 wasn't meant to be moddable.

[Space Communist]

Originally Posted by Sasha

*mindless drivel* basically it is hardly improved from Fogotten Battles time. *mindless drivel*

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..phew, lemme just catch my... my brea...

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...wow ok... I think I got that out. Yeah I would looove to see the futuristic moon-people version of FB that you possess.

[robtek]

There is a saying that fits this topic, i believe:

(be positive and) Fly with the Eagles, or scratch with the chickens!

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

by this insult to the devs one can assume you are a highly talented programmer? what is your portfolio I'd love to see some of your marvellous work

What insult ? This is business mate, selling professional product for money... and right of client is to judge the product that is offered.

The only insult here is - insult to Il-2 worldwide community that was lured to prepay unplayable product (Are you reading any other related forums except this one ? )

( To advertise your "new generation combat flight sim" without Force Feedback - that is insult.)

Regarding myself, I am not professional programmer - so why should I present my creations ?

If people say that of Toyota cars have technical problem - does it mean that they all make cars themselves ?
If You say in supermarket that egg is not good, does it mean that You are laying eggs ?

Talking about work, I would suggest to You to examine 10-20 latest map works at www.sas1946.com... made "in free time by amateur creators" and compare them to map versions of "professional full time employed team".

Being genius for combat flight mechanics and not for a land visuals - it is life fact, not an insult...