More on epilepsy in Cliffs of Dover

[mazex]

For heavens sake, to everyone running around like their hair is on fire... Both Ubisoft and Sony and a number of other publishers has done this for all their titles for the last three years, without implementing a post process filter which Ilya has admitted was their emergency hot fix as they have had some communication problem between 1C and Ubisoft? If all other titles have done it without loosing fps by adding a post process filter I'm sure that MG can do it too. Assassins Creed : Brotherhood sure has passed the same tests, and does anyone think it looks "bleak" and not having those "bling" effects that everyone think has to go? Does it have bad FPS? Does any of the other Sony or Ubisoft titles look like they are "watered out" and stutter? Wipeout HD was postponed by Sony in 2008 to implement the stuff needed to pass the epilepsy tests WITHOUT adding a last resort filter on all the frames like MG has done now? Does anyone think that Assassins Creed : Brotherhood lost 10 by an implementation like this? Ilya has admitted that it was an ugly fix and they are working on doing it the proper way...

So can't everyone just calm down for one time and stop running around threatening to cancel your pre orders? They will fix this - be sure.

[adonys]

Do you understand that the problem it is NOT the current epilepsy filter, which will eventually be removed and (eventually) have some FPS restored?

The problem is what they will have to do in order to remove that filter, and meet the epilepsy-prevention requirements.

Do you want to play IL2 CoD sim without seeing your propeller's arc from inside the cockpit? Do you want to see from external view the propeller arcs as a translucid circle? Do you want to have (parts) of the flying debris left behind by the airplane you're mopping up removed?

I do not want that, sorry. If so, I can turn back and play 1942 Pacific Air War.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by adonys

Do you understand that the problem it is NOT the current epilepsy filter, which will eventually be removed and (eventually) have some FPS restored?

The problem is what they will have to do in order to remove that filter, and meet the epilepsy-prevention requirements.

Do you want to play IL2 CoD sim without seeing your propeller's arc from inside the cockpit? Do you want to see from external view the propeller arcs as a translucid circle? Do you want to have (parts) of the flying debris left behind by the airplane you're mopping up removed?

I do not want that, sorry. If so, I can turn back and play 1942 Pacific Air War.

Not seeing much of the prop is fine as I don't see that IRL either. Debris is naturally an immersion booster, but are we really sure it has to go away to comply with the rules? There are so few hard facts and so much speculation here that it must be some kind of a record. Scientists trying to understand mass psychosis really should have a look here. Add a minor comment in the Russian forums or some late night youtube comments that get bablefish translated and boom. It's like nitroglycerine

[Shrike_UK]

sureley this should be an option for graphics cards to have, plenty of options for filters on them already, 1 more couldnt hurt, plus, if its handles by a sub OS process (driver based as graphics cards are) then it will be more efficient than software based solutions. Also this will be more financial viable because you dont pass the cost of developing this onto every single game developer, some of which are finding it hard enough to afford to produce games as it is.

[II/JG54_Zent]

i am cancelling my preorder NOW. Get this right UBIshit or get lost. Very sorry for MG.
If a non castrated version ever comes out i ll buy.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Shrike_UK

sureley this should be an option for graphics cards to have, plenty of options for filters on them already, 1 more couldnt hurt, plus, if its handles by a sub OS process (driver based as graphics cards are) then it will be more efficient than software based solutions. Also this will be more financial viable because you dont pass the cost of developing this onto every single game developer, some of which are finding it hard enough to afford to produce games as it is.

That sounds like a good idea. I guess that it would work for adding a "gradual change from dark to light", but for effects like the "repetetive" flicker effect caused by a prop "disc" I guess that it would be hard to have low level filtering?

Still, making it optional must be the way to solve it - even though I appreciate that the option will be there it should be possible to disable it for the ones that don't care (which for sure is a large majority). Outside the US I don't see how anyone could sue Ubisoft if the option is in the config file with a warning on startup that says the filter is off at your own risk...

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by mazex

That sounds like a good idea. I guess that it would work for adding a "gradual change from dark to light", but for effects like the "repetetive" flicker effect caused by a prop "disc" I guess that it would be hard to have low level filtering?

Still, making it optional must be the way to solve it - even though I appreciate that the option will be there it should be possible to disable it for the ones that don't care (which for sure is a large majority). Outside the US I don't see how anyone could sue Ubisoft if the option is in the config file with a warning on startup that says the filter is off at your own risk...

A setting (or several settings) in the registry would make it even harder to set "by mistake" or in a moment of distraction. I'm sure a court would agree that such modifications should be classed as hacking and are a very deliberate action - i.e. the person is accepting the risks.

If an initial warning splash screen was added too then I think Ubi would be very safe....and we'd all be very happy.

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by mazex

That sounds like a good idea. I guess that it would work for adding a "gradual change from dark to light", but for effects like the "repetetive" flicker effect caused by a prop "disc" I guess that it would be hard to have low level filtering?

Still, making it optional must be the way to solve it - even though I appreciate that the option will be there it should be possible to disable it for the ones that don't care (which for sure is a large majority). Outside the US I don't see how anyone could sue Ubisoft if the option is in the config file with a warning on startup that says the filter is off at your own risk...

Agreed.

IMO this is an extremely bad way to handle it, and most of us here realize it. In my view, GPU manufacturers should enable this safety on a drivers level - and make it an optional feature. If they can do stereoscopic 3D glasses which are way more dangerous than a ordinary game why cannot this be done? Instead we get castrated games for the sake of minority.

Just to be clear - I am in no way undermining the seriousness of an epileptic seizure. This is a very serious matter. But when it affects the majority, it becomes even more serious.

Why this lack of communication happened between UBI and MG we will probably never know. If those rules are in place, the game should have been designed from the start to deal with an epileptic seizure prevention. For this I blame MG equally as I do UbiSoft. The only bright side in all this is Ilya's confession and informing us all about it. We could have been left in the dark about it all and kept wondering why the game runs like crap. Though TBH, I still think there is more to it than just a Filter.

Only if this Filter is removed / made optional, I will purchase the game. Until then, there are plenty of other quality sims out there to keep me busy.

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Yes totally agree with the above,I did'nt wait all these years after seeing all those superb developer vids and screenshots to then pay for something that is less than comparable to it.

I too will only purchase this if the filter is removed or made optional,Rise Of Flight is a truly superb combat flight sim and this will keep me occupied.

What makes me really angry about this is the way we have been totally mislead,there has been no mention of such a filter in all the hype that 1C and UBI have been advertising,only in the past 24 hours had I heard about this.

So I am glad I have heard the news now,despite it being bad,I have now just in time been able to cancel my preorder and wait over the oncoming months to see what will transpire from this.

I do hope they can fix this because it will for sure be a great sim once it is sorted out,but until such time my money will be staying put in my wallet.

Good luck guys