Very Confused about the Filter and Fix Please Help :) ???

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Bryan21cag

I am truly sorry for adding yet another post to what has been an over night explosion of both helpful and non helpful threads but I am still very confused and can not seem to find my answer after combing through what feels like hundreds of pages of posts. I am hoping some of you understand better then I do.

As for the Filter I think that I understand that with a copy of the game that has the filter active the visual aspects of the game are altered I.E. explosions, prop arch, chunks of plane falling off when you shoot it, and all that other great stuff at the cost of frame rate rite?

My second question if the above is true is when this filter is turned off does all of that stuff re appear? In other words does the game return to its original form once this business with the filter is figured out or is that the part that will never again be back into the game?

LOL I am just trying to figure out weather or not i will need to somehow buy an overseas version that has no filter and will be the original game with no alterations, or if i can get the US version and then just wait till the filter is lifted/disabled and then still have the same original game that should have been released?

Thank you very much for some much needed clarification. With all this talk of permanent changes and such I am just really hoping that somehow the US will still be able to play the non altered version of the game with all its spender when its said and done

It does look like the visuals will be permanently toned down unfortunately. From what I understand, anything the creates a flashing image, however brief, is to be culled.

[Flanker15]

Originally Posted by Sutts

It does look like the visuals will be permanently toned down unfortunately. From what I understand, anything the creates a flashing image, however brief, is to be culled.

Unless a dev comes out and says that the game will be as good visually and performance wise as it was pre filter. Ergo the stuff that needs to be removed is beyond what the human eye can see, I don't see much reason to spend money on a gimped game.
Games coming out next week so they should hurry to patch this up.

[Bryan21cag]

ah..... this is what i was affraid of.

Thank you

so in other words the only way to get the Un edited version of the game will be to hang on until the russian version can be made to work here in the states yes?

Or is this version also going to be changed even though it has no filter?

LOL i still feel confused as to weather one has anything to do with the other... So does the Filter cause these changes or does the filter only cause lower FPS and the other stuff being removed is a separate issue being changed for all versions Everywhere?

thank you again for helping to clarify

[BobTuck]

Yes, as Sutts says, the western version will be permanently toned down. The (FPS reducing) filter is a temporary measure to reduce the epileptic effect of the problem visuals (e.g gun flash, propellers), until each one has been manually altered, then the filter will be removed, thus restoring some FPS (but leaving the sim changed in various ways).

However, since the Russians dont have a sue culture, their version will have the filter removed soon, leaving the sim as it was originally intended to be (i.e. no changes!)

The problem is that it is unconfirmed as to whether or not the Russian version will work properly in the west. Also, remember that it will still require the correct patch to unlock the goodness (although I have also seen mention of a quick change in a configuration file is all that is necessary). I have seen one report that it will not work outside of Russia.

I am going to keep my eyes peeled, as the Russian version may be the best way forward.

BobTuck.

p.s. Regardless of news about the unlocked Russian version, I will still be buying my western collectors edition, to show my continued support to the devs

[Bryan21cag]

Originally Posted by BobTuck

However, since the Russians dont have a sue culture, their version will have the filter removed soon, leaving the sim as it was originally intended to be (i.e. no changes!)



BobTuck.

THANK YOU

This is exactly what i was wondering. So buying any of the Western Realeased versions of the game will never allow you to see the game as intended even once things are fixed and filter is lifted.

got it

At least an un altered version of the game will still exist that is what i couldn't figure out. Now its just a waiting game until one of the Western Uber Nerds (meant as a complement) figure out how to make this version work for all of us third world'ers

thanks again

[15JG52_Brauer]

Personally I want to wait a bit and understand what exactly the problem is - ie how many fps loss does it cause, what do the before and after screenshots look like - what does the patch to remove the filter deliver before I make an INFORMED judgement about what to do. Right now it's rumour, heresay and no real facts - I'd like to see before and after screenshots, understand what it means to gameplay - and what on earth it means to future suport if I get a russian copy etc etc. Personally I hope we get a fixed western version - we may not even miss the high contrast stuff - until I see comparisons I cant make a rational choice anyway - just my 2 pence worth - but I trust 1 C to fix it in the end, and after 6 years I can wait a bit more. I hope SLI will get fixed - it must do or all other tiles from ubi will also be SLI handicapped and wont sell - cant believe it's just related to this 1 game. Anyway - just bought ROF - will enjoy that until this is fixed - which I'm sure it will be just not sure if it will be 2 weeks or more....

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by 15JG52_Brauer

Personally I want to wait a bit and understand what exactly the problem is - ie how many fps loss does it cause, what do the before and after screenshots look like - what does the patch to remove the filter deliver before I make an INFORMED judgement about what to do. Right now it's rumour, heresay and no real facts - I'd like to see before and after screenshots, understand what it means to gameplay - and what on earth it means to future suport if I get a russian copy etc etc. Personally I hope we get a fixed western version - we may not even miss the high contrast stuff - until I see comparisons I cant make a rational choice anyway - just my 2 pence worth - but I trust 1 C to fix it in the end, and after 6 years I can wait a bit more. I hope SLI will get fixed - it must do or all other tiles from ubi will also be SLI handicapped and wont sell - cant believe it's just related to this 1 game. Anyway - just bought ROF - will enjoy that until this is fixed - which I'm sure it will be just not sure if it will be 2 weeks or more....

Well, for now you can look at the official 1C vids and compare to what guys from russian are putting out now. The performance difference seems huge imo. Also, the filter is not a rumor. Luther is the one who told us about it in the first place.

[15JG52_Brauer]

well if lets say this problem happened with 1946, the devs would take a known performance benchmark ( ie black death) run it with and without filter, give us screenshots and framerates (say on a mid spec machine) so we can make informed judgements - so why cant they do that here - so we know what the issue is - if its a deal breaker or not? Too many variables with all the vids on you tube - you are not comparing apples with apples. I would like to see some real examples - directly comparable. It's not too much to ask, maybe 30 minutes or an hours work. If we don't see it, then maybe there is a problem they dont want to show, but I'd rather see it and understand if it will be a quick fix or not. Unless it is totally fubar I'm still buying it as I believe any problems will be fixed (been flying il2 since 2001) - but I just want information. Lack of information creates a vacuum where rumours and ill informed comment will kill this game... just my 2 pence(cents for the us guys) worth.

[MadBlaster]

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=19487

Look at these videos that Nike-it posted with the retard filter in place. He has

high end machine. If you read that thread carefully, he implies that his machine

or a very similar machine was used for the 1C official company vidoes. I think

you will find a huge performance difference. For me, it is enough to say

something has to change. The retard filter has got to go. Avg. 30 fps on a high

end machine with mid-low settings??? Not good enough. Not good enough at

all imho.

[BobTuck]

Originally Posted by 15JG52_Brauer

before I make an INFORMED judgement about what to do. Right now it's rumour, heresay and no real facts

Most of what I have said is informed and not rumour, because it has come directly from various posts that Luthier has made about the issue, usually on russian forums.

BobTuck.