Shame on you for using STEAM !

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by Specht

Thank you VERY MUCH for using Steam, this makes my life much easier in many ways.

One: I don't have to wait until the game gets released in my country.

Two: I pay a much better price on Steam than buying boxes in my country.

Three: Steam is a fantastic platform.

But the game is not for sale on Steam apparently...

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by jimbop

I love the thread tags! I'm waiting for the steam version before I order - much prefer the DL versions over boxed. Most people don't understand that even if you buy a physical copy of a piece of software you are usually just buying rights to run it, not buying the software itself.

Anyway, that's my understanding and even if I'm wrong there are far more important things for me to worry about!

That's against EU consumer laws so it doesn't apply to me. I don't buy the rights to distribute or modify the software in a large scale but i do buy that single copy of it and not just a license.

If i'm just buying the license to use it and i somehow lose my discs, i should then be able to request and they should send me new discs since i still have the license, right? And Ubi would send me new discs out of the kindness of their hearts? Think about it for a second, there's a reason most EULAs won't fly in any consumer law court, especially since the "contract" is presented to you after you buy the product, open the box (which makes it non-refundable) and start the installer. If it was printed on the back of the game box it would probably carry more weight, but i guess if people could see what they often sign up for they would also buy less games

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

The main thing I have picked up from these threads is that steam users seem to be childish arrogant smug and generally a pain in the butt to try and discuss things with.

Which doesn't make playing online in a community full of steam users overly enticing

I wouldn't go that far, but some of them are in fact pushing it to the point of reminding me the "RoF can do no wrong" crowd of 2 years ago.
Incidentally, that was one of the main reasons i didn't pick that one up...limited amount of fans and servers when it was launched meant a high probability of crossing paths with a handful of very annoying people they had in that community

Originally Posted by Vyper

So why are you for forcing people to use it? Would you be for being forced to use AOL? All anyone posting so far is concerned about is the lack of getting a choice in the matter, when clearly steam isn't needed to perform multiplayer functionality yet the rumblings are saying it will be required to do so. (And begs to question how dedicated servers will work in that situation).

The funny part, as you put it...is that some of us have had this off and on and off again relationship with steam/valve for over 12 years. There isn't anything to understand, so your point is moot.

Limiting choices and creating control bases in favor of companies like valve are not good for the gaming community as a whole. It is not good for any business market.

Exactly. Those of you who want to go with Steam, by all means do so. Just don't force your opinion on the rest.

I mean, we're not all bashing Steam and it would be a good thing for advertising and mass market appeal for CoD, i'll give you that. So is scalable difficulty but the game doesn't default to any common denominator, it gives all of you options to do what you want with your gameplay sessions. Why should installation be any different?

My point is i don't hate Steam, but what the hell is all this zealotry about? All this "take it or leave it" attitude is sure not making steam any friends, neither does the "deal with it" commentary expressed by a few posters.

Sure, one might tolerate it to play a game he's been expecting for years but doesn't have to like it and if one is forced to use it, then you're going to keep hearing about it until he's given an option to disable it. How about you deal with that?

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

My point is i don't hate Steam, but what the hell is all this zealotry about? All this "take it or leave it" attitude is sure not making steam any friends, neither does the "deal with it" commentary expressed by a few posters.

The opinions on both sides are just as extreme, though, yours not least. I don't even have Steam installed on my machine at the moment, and haven't done for the last couple of years probably, but it's just baffling to many of us who have encountered it that anyone could boycott the only game that's really likely to keep the WWII sim market alive because of the same sort of logic that would have them shivering in the cold because they were frightened of paying a power company who could potentially monitor their usage. I don't MIND whether the game uses Steam or not, it's just this sort of discussion that will cause a fuss just for the sake of causing a fuss and potentially blight the game's launch with negative rumours for no reason at all. If you don't want to buy the game because it uses Steam, at least don't go around posting disinformation and vague negative rumours about the service it provides (this last is not aimed at you Blackdog).

[Luftrofl]

Originally Posted by TheGrunch

The opinions on both sides are just as extreme, though, yours not least. I don't even have Steam installed on my machine at the moment, and haven't done for the last couple of years probably, but it's just baffling to many of us who have encountered it that anyone could boycott the only game that's really likely to keep the WWII sim market alive because of the same sort of logic that would have them shivering in the cold because they were frightened of paying a power company who could potentially monitor their usage. I don't MIND whether the game uses Steam or not, it's just this sort of discussion that will cause a fuss just for the sake of causing a fuss and potentially blight the game's launch with negative rumours for no reason at all. If you don't want to buy the game because it uses Steam, at least don't go around posting disinformation and vague negative rumours about the service it provides (this last is not aimed at you Blackdog).

That is exactly it. Most of the opposition I've seen has been based on "facts" that just aren't true. I assume Oleg has some reason for doing this and instead of posting random make believe reasons Steam is bad, I'll wait to see what his reason is. Only after hearing from him can it be truly decided if this is a good decision or not.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

The main thing I have picked up from these threads is that steam users seem to be childish arrogant smug and generally a pain in the butt to try and discuss things with.

Which doesn't make playing online in a community full of steam users overly enticing

Not at all like the anti-steam (anti-everything) bunch then? Personally I'm fed up with all negativism here and all this whinig about everything does not lead anywhere. They have chosen to use Steam for some parts and certainly will not change due to the fact that 20 people whine here and in some other forums. It just make them stop reading the constructive criticism that is stuck in between all the crap. Trust me as a development manager myself - after a certain level of negativism in open channels you stop reading and focus on other channels... It's very obvious that this is what has happened here, but people just don't get it. Why do you think Oleg and Ilya are not here any more?

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by mazex

Not at all like the anti-steam (anti-everything) bunch then? Personally I'm fed up with all negativism here and all this whinig about everything does not lead anywhere. They have chosen to use Steam for some parts and certainly will not change due to the fact that 20 people whine here and in some other forums. It just make them stop reading the constructive criticism that is stuck in between all the crap. Trust me as a development manager myself - after a certain level of negativism in open channels you stop reading and focus on other channels...

+1 the levelling of moaning here is beyond appailing, how dare ppl complain who else would even bother to make a highly detailed ww2 aircraft simulator when you can spit out games like cod and other fps year after year with no upgrades, minimal work and get paid 1000 times more than 1c will for il2 cod and that's after 6 years of development so everyone moaning here STFU and be glad your even getting a product like this and one that is not watered down for consoles

[Mephisto]

I see suporters of steam here, all of tham say "i have 10-80 games", it keeps pc gaming alive, and so on.
Well, i must say that il2, bf 1942 and bf2 were the games worth playing, and pc gaming has no quality since. They are on my home comp and on my qosmio laptop.
To see Cliffs of Dover close to publishing, brings warm feelings to my hearth.
I have large estate out of city, and ejoy summer, sometimes winter months there. And i dont have internet there. Why? Because lan gaming has some special feeling. To bring frends in live contact is above any steam or battlenet or any other anti social software.
So, steam? No way. Not at home, not on my estate.
I do fine without auto updates, i like my comps without startup software, comercials, virus like software that keeps haunting you with various offers.
Lets keep things cousy and warm.
Steam is for other type of games, not this sweetie we all have been waiting for. Or give us option at least.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Mephisto

Steam is for other type of games, not this sweetie we all have been waiting for. Or give us option at least.

Not gonna happen and it's the fault of hackers that these drm software are in use, it's the typical case of a few ruining it for everyone else.

I think all you need to do is activate the game once install steam then turn on play offline and you can have your LAN game. Inconvenient yes, a show stopper? not unless you are too stubborn to accept the inevitable.

[tintifaxl]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Not gonna happen and it's the fault of hackers that these drm software are in use, it's the typical case of a few ruining it for everyone else....

All Steam games where cracked on day of release. You can get illegal copies of every game that's out there, so the only thing drm successfully supresses is the market for used games.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Mephisto

I see suporters of steam here, all of tham say "i have 10-80 games", it keeps pc gaming alive, and so on.
Well, i must say that il2, bf 1942 and bf2 were the games worth playing, and pc gaming has no quality since. They are on my home comp and on my qosmio laptop.
To see Cliffs of Dover close to publishing, brings warm feelings to my hearth.
I have large estate out of city, and ejoy summer, sometimes winter months there. And i dont have internet there. Why? Because lan gaming has some special feeling. To bring frends in live contact is above any steam or battlenet or any other anti social software.
So, steam? No way. Not at home, not on my estate.
I do fine without auto updates, i like my comps without startup software, comercials, virus like software that keeps haunting you with various offers.
Lets keep things cousy and warm.
Steam is for other type of games, not this sweetie we all have been waiting for. Or give us option at least.

But there IS no problem playing Steam games without internet... I played both Hearts of Iron II and Red Orchestra that I have bought through Steam with my internet cable pulled to test. No problem at all (RO is a bit useless without Internet but it works fine). A dialog just pops up asking if you want to go to offline mode and all games work just fine. Tried CoD Modern Warfare 2 as well and it worked great too - even though it is heavily Steam integrated...