Head Tracking with Cliffs of Dover

[Stipe]

@norulz
Do you get 6dof with that in il-2? Did you try in ROF if you have it?

@W-R
Same question as for norulz but for face track.

We are retarded. This has to be the longest discussion. 10+ hours.
"head tracking marathon"

[Wolf_Rider]

To be honest, I'm not too sure Stipe, but the Face API does offer 6DoF. As with FT though, most seem to pass the PPJoy part of it over for faketrackir... so it is another hack program.
This is the first time that anyone has ever responded in any manner to Face Track, which has been mentioned here before.

[Stipe]

Ah screw it then. I'm going to stick my head inside the monitor and look around.
It will offer 6 dof. I'll call it: Face burn™

[norulz]

yes it does full 6DoF as I said.

FreeTrack after making its calculations can export them via a multitude of interfaces. Freetrack, TIR unencrypted, PPJoy, Mouse, Keyboard strokes, and another 2 AFAIK.

The way Freetrack does it's calculations are opened to analysis due to the fact source code is available... is just math.

The way it hooks to the interfaces is again pretty opened... minus that fake TIR interface which is a third party made available by people that love NP and their monopoly very much.

Many people don't want to break the problem in parts cause it will reveal the mistakes in their reasoning. So they try to keep it in one bite and start name calling by the colors they see in the coffee cup.


btw... before fretrack it was freelook. a 2DoF free application...

[Stipe]

I have freetrack. What I meant was if you can get 6 dof over PPJoy?

[norulz]

Originally Posted by Stipe

I have freetrack. What I meant was if you can get 6 dof over PPJoy?

Yes!

Julien

Did you need to do anything to get PPJoy to work in 64 bit?

Yes... it is a bit twitchy. You need to install the latest version... 08426 IIRC... and you need to put Win7 in "test mode" with a program... then restart.... install PPJoy... configure it then you can turn off test mode with same program.

I still need to test it a bit but it works.

There is a thread on ED forums just about this... let me find it.


here's a movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScuYfagMixU

same youtube user have a thread on ED forums... but I can't find it now as I need to leave from work with some... other work .

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by norulz

yes it does full 6DoF as I said.

FreeTrack after making its calculations can export them via a multitude of interfaces. Freetrack, TIR unencrypted, PPJoy, Mouse, Keyboard strokes, and another 2 AFAIK.

The way Freetrack does it's calculations are opened to analysis due to the fact source code is available... is just math.

The way it hooks to the interfaces is again pretty opened... minus that fake TIR interface which is a third party made available by people that love NP and their monopoly very much.

Many people don't want to break the problem in parts cause it will reveal the mistakes in their reasoning. So they try to keep it in one bite and start name calling by the colors they see in the coffee cup.


btw... before fretrack it was freelook. a 2DoF free application...

+2

Life is simple. No "hack" in Freetrack now. Freetrack has own interface, open, free. Nothing with" NP code". BIS uses Freetrack interface AND TrackIR interface in ArmAII and O:A.

So, what's the big deal? Why we can't have a single word from 1C, Oleg...?

Strange...

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Stipe

Ah screw it then. I'm going to stick my head inside the monitor and look around.
It will offer 6 dof. I'll call it: Face burn™

lol


http://www.seeingmachines.com/produc...api/licensing/


The point I was attempting is, well some of many is that there are options out there which can be utilised and developed. Another is, neither NP or SM seem to be at loggerheads, so there is the monopoly thing no longer applicable. (keep in mind though that NP started out servicing the needs of the invalid, until a gamer or two saw how the smartnav could be a bonus to gaming. A few approaches and a few chit chats later... and the rest is in the annuls of history. Not bad, eh?).

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

lol


http://www.seeingmachines.com/produc...api/licensing/


The point I was attempting is, well some of many is that there are options out there which can be utilised and developed. Another is, neither NP or SM seem to be at loggerheads, so there is the monopoly thing no longer applicable. (keep in mind though that NP started out servicing the needs of the invalid, until a gamer or two saw how the smartnav could be a bonus to gaming. A few approaches and a few chit chats later... and the rest is in the annuls of history. Not bad, eh?).

Yes, we have A LOT of options, but how can we use these options if game devs don't make it available?

We have TIR, FaceAPI, Freetrack... You really don't understand the "monopoly thing", sorry. We have competition, but few game devs make it available, as BIS did.

Why? You can't answer. I can't answer. But 1C, Oleg, can. Why they don't answer these questions?

You really don't think how strange is that, W-R?

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Yes, we have A LOT of options, but how can we use these options if game devs don't make it available?

I'll address this point of yours, if I may.


What needs to happen is to make the approach to the developers, in a professional and friendly manner. Remember! you are asking for inclusion in their game, their product, it isn't necessarily the other way around. Foremost though is the need for a working product, a clean product, a product which the developer themselves could be proud of and not have to worry about being associated with. Their reputation is on the line there.


Its not hard