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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 02-13-2011, 03:17 PM
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If they refuse to obey the order in the battlefield I'll shot them myself - without trial, on the spot.
So you would have shot P/O Paszkiewitz who shot down a german plane during a training mission, thus disobeying orders from his British officer?
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Old 02-13-2011, 03:36 PM
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What if the renegade pilot is from the Luftwaffe, being chased by his former squadmate(s). As an allied pilot, how do you know he's friendly? Will the attacking pilot(s) turn back and the renegade waggle his wings? Was the pilot a double agent or a spy stealing a new aircraft?
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Old 02-13-2011, 04:15 PM
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So you would have shot P/O Paszkiewitz who shot down a german plane during a training mission, thus disobeying orders from his British officer?
Court-martialed, for sure.
Shooting on the spot is for ground crews only(kinda hard shooting a pilot in plane several hundred yards away, no?).
Obeying orders is probably the most important skill for a pilots - you don't have to think and you're not aloud to have any emotions.

F.i. you lose a wingman, ground control orders you to retreat but instead you decide to revenge your buddy and shoot down the enemy plane.
In Switzerland they would credit you the kill and right after that revoke your flying status. Simple as that.
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Old 02-15-2011, 04:06 PM
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Court-martialed, for sure.
Shooting on the spot is for ground crews only(kinda hard shooting a pilot in plane several hundred yards away, no?).
Obeying orders is probably the most important skill for a pilots - you don't have to think and you're not aloud to have any emotions.

F.i. you lose a wingman, ground control orders you to retreat but instead you decide to revenge your buddy and shoot down the enemy plane.
In Switzerland they would credit you the kill and right after that revoke your flying status. Simple as that.
An exaggeration. Pilots of polish squadrons would have 50% less aircrafts shot down on their account during bob if they were acting like they were told to

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Old 02-15-2011, 04:16 PM
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And yet the Brits still let them fly.
That only shows how desperate they were.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:19 PM
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And yet the Brits still let them fly.
That only shows how desperate they were.
Sending 18 year olds with only few hours of basic training into battle is a sign of desperation.
Letting foreign experienced veterans fly hurricanes is not. It's opportunism.
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Old 02-15-2011, 07:00 PM
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Our armed forces can't execute soldiers (with or without trial). The only situation where this would be possible (as I understand it) would be if the soldier were actively fighting for the enemy forces (ie. not just a traitor, but a traitor currently engaged in active combat).
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Old 02-15-2011, 07:48 PM
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Our armed forces can't execute soldiers (with or without trial). The only situation where this would be possible (as I understand it) would be if the soldier were actively fighting for the enemy forces (ie. not just a traitor, but a traitor currently engaged in active combat).
Also the RAF/Luftwaffe never employed commisars.
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Old 02-16-2011, 02:14 AM
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Med campaign, November 1940...Taranto:

http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/.../p/taranto.htm

I can well imagine flying a "Stringbag" against ships...

Not only that, but Operation Tidal Wave with B-24's against Ploesti oil refineries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tidal_Wave

Ok, I might wake up someday....
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Old 02-16-2011, 11:22 PM
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Sending 18 year olds with only few hours of basic training into battle is a sign of desperation.
Letting foreign experienced veterans fly hurricanes is not. It's opportunism.
Actually the RAF never sent pilots into combat with only a few hours basic training. The myth that pilots were thrown into Spitfires and Hurricanes with only 10 hours flying time total is ludicrous.

What did happen during the BoB was some pilots only had a few hours on "type". Hence they may have only spent 10 hours in a Spitfire before being assigned an operational unit BUT they still had extensive basic training in trainer aircraft and then aircraft like Gladiators at training squadrons.

The basic training in Gladiators was not just a result of a shortage of Spitfires and Hurricanes. the RAF found that pilots trained in Gladiators were actually more competent than pilots trained in Spitfires as the Spitfire was easier to fly.
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