Spit sabotaged, Goering releieved

[PE_Tihi]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Did you actually even read what i said before you spouted back off.

lateral been fixed in the upcoming fix patch.

+1 on you clearly don't know what trim does.

also, your convergence is to far out. 200m is much better.

I certainly read the two sentences you wrote. And I red the 82 items of the list of fixes for the patch. Found no mention of the spit stabillity problem.

From your other forum posts, I suspect you confuse the lateral trim and lateral stability issues here. Lateral (pitch) trim issue is unpleasant only, pushing the nose up all the time. Pitch and yaw stabillity makes the plane wallow around, on the other hand. As for the trim and what it does, I certainly know that better than writing on this forum demands.

As for my convergence ranges-I certainly do not put them on the distance where I cannot hit. On the Tempest it is even 380 m. And am a bad shot compared to some I know

[JtD]

"The characteristics of the control free lateral oscillation were determined by trimming the airplane for steady flights and then deflecting the rudder and releasing the controls. Records were taken of the subsequent variations of sideslip angle. The measurements were made in the curising condition at 125 and 200 miles per hour. The damping of the oscillation satisfactory met the requirement of reference 1. At 200 miles per hours, one oscillation and at 125 miles per hours 1.5 oscillations were required for the motion to damp to one-half amplitude."

Taken from NACA wartime report "Measurements of the flying qualities of a Supermaring VA airplane". Feel free to compare to in game.

If real life reference is not your point, I'd recommend you go to the difficulty panel and switch off torque effects.

[engarde]

if you could see me, i'd have my hand over my face and my elbow on the desk.

so very often the It Doesnt Fly Like I Think It Should posts.

i'll say yet again, you have no freakin idea how the real spit is supposed to fly.

maybe it flew properly 25 Constant Clueless Complainer born revisions ago, and due to the fact you dont know hows its supposed to fly, you had no idea.

and so you and your pot-O-gold passed like ships in the night.

yet now you somehow are a significant enough authority to bleat on about control surfaces and yaw and lateral this and leaf that.....

ill bet that NONE, read that again NONE, of the aircraft in the il2 sims fly "liked theyre supposed to" largely due to the devs paying too much attention to the sounds of clueless crying?

after all, armchair pilots have all the opinion in the world and absolutely none of the stuff that really matters: REAL FLIGHT EXPERIENCE ON THE ACTUAL TYPE.

yet again, the circle begins.....

[Romanator21]

It is not 100% true that trim "in NO way, WHATSOEVER, increase ability to turn". You seem to believe this yourself when you mention the P38. By using elevator trim you can increase your ability to turn, as you won't have to fight as much compression/weight. You kind of contradicted yourself that post.

I think he means to say that trim functions differently in reality than it does in the game.

@engarde - I was a bit like you at one point, but I learned that debate is the best thing we can do to get closer to the truth. Now, WWII vets aren't exactly in the flight sim programming department now-a-days, so you can't be too bitter about speculation. The best source we have is documentation and personal accounts, and as long as debate revolves around these and not mud-slinging, a fair amount of understanding can be attained.

And if these threads bug you, don't look, and for God's sake, don't bother posting in them.

[KG26_Alpha]

Ok I think you are all done here