the P47 "the Unbreakable"no more

[DrJet]

Well, it's the matter between playability and historical accuracy, isn't it? I was flying 190 with 500 kgs bomb and got bounced by p51. In a gentle turn with speed less than 350 km, I heard air frame wracking sound yet again, which forced me dropping my bomb and started one on one fighting with p51. I managed to survive and get a kill but I had to fly back to base to bring another bomb that wasted 20 minutes. I would greatly appreciate if anyone can provide any historical proof that this could happen in real plane and why Oleg had not introduced this feature for the last 9 years!
Salute,
DrJet

[Bricks]

Originally Posted by DrJet

Well, it's the matter between playability and historical accuracy, isn't it? I was flying 190 with 500 kgs bomb and got bounced by p51. In a gentle turn with speed less than 350 km, I heard air frame wracking sound yet again, which forced me dropping my bomb and started one on one fighting with p51. I managed to survive and get a kill but I had to fly back to base to bring another bomb that wasted 20 minutes. I would greatly appreciate if anyone can provide any historical proof that this could happen in real plane and why Oleg had not introduced this feature for the last 9 years!
Salute,
DrJet

If I may remind you: There are many things that were introduced with numerous patches and addons. The IL2-1946 was by far more than the original IL2 was!
We always begged for more realism, Luftwaffe and Allied pilots the same. Just remember the numerous Spitfire-complains about unrealistic maneuvers and stuff like that. The same way FW190 was claimed to be uber.
Now both are more realistic and you still whine? What's the point?

And about that example you made: Sorry, but the FW-190 is not an A-10. If you don't think a simply 500kg-Bomb would make that much of a difference, maybe you should read some books. The FW empty weight was only 3 tons!
That means you added 1/6th of it's total weight + a lot of drag and wonder why you can't dogfight with it any longer? Are you kidding?

The more I read about these complains, the more I'm remembered to this (slightly changed) famous quote:
Crowd: "I want the truth!"
OM: "You can't handle the truth!"

Seems some people really can't. IMHO it's alright, but they shouldn't come here and tell people IL2 was more realistic without taking weight and structural integrity into account.

[DrJet]

Originally Posted by Bricks

If I may remind you: There are many things that were introduced with numerous patches and addons. The IL2-1946 was by far more than the original IL2 was!
We always begged for more realism, Luftwaffe and Allied pilots the same. Just remember the numerous Spitfire-complains about unrealistic maneuvers and stuff like that. The same way FW190 was claimed to be uber.
Now both are more realistic and you still whine? What's the point?

And about that example you made: Sorry, but the FW-190 is not an A-10. If you don't think a simply 500kg-Bomb would make that much of a difference, maybe you should read some books. The FW empty weight was only 3 tons!
That means you added 1/6th of it's total weight + a lot of drag and wonder why you can't dogfight with it any longer? Are you kidding?

The more I read about these complains, the more I'm remembered to this (slightly changed) famous quote:
Crowd: "I want the truth!"
OM: "You can't handle the truth!"

Seems some people really can't. IMHO it's alright, but they shouldn't come here and tell people IL2 was more realistic without taking weight and structural integrity into account.

Please tell me your definition of realism. Based on your argument, 190 in 4.09 was not realistic and now it is realistic? I don't understand your attitude also. In my argument, I mentioned that I did a gentle turn and still heard frame wracking sound. Does it sound that I want to dog fight with p51 with my bomb on? Don't assume that everyone would be the same as you are.

[Bricks]

Originally Posted by DrJet

Please tell me your definition of realism. Based on your argument, 190 in 4.09 was not realistic and now it is realistic? I don't understand your attitude also. In my argument, I mentioned that I did a gentle turn and still heard frame wracking sound. Does it sound that I want to dog fight with p51 with my bomb on? Don't assume that everyone would be the same as you are.

Yes, it was less realistic before. That has nothing to do with my attitude. An airframe is not a solid construction. Its designed to move and bent under pressure. Thats what makes the noise. Thats realistic. Unrealistic was the behaviour before 4.10: the aircraft under pressure just suddenly broke up or exploded.

Imho you misunderstood the sound. The sound does not mean you aircraft was destroyed. It means that the aircraft is under a lot of pressure and in danger to ne damaged or destroyed, if you stay in this maneuver or increase stress.

[Rainmaker]

Originally Posted by DrJet

Please tell me your definition of realism. Based on your argument, 190 in 4.09 was not realistic and now it is realistic? I don't understand your attitude also. In my argument, I mentioned that I did a gentle turn and still heard frame wracking sound. Does it sound that I want to dog fight with p51 with my bomb on? Don't assume that everyone would be the same as you are.

DrJet there is no point in disscusing with that guy, he is just ignorant, probably watching history channel every day

Originally Posted by mazex

They sure where capable fighters, but they where harder to get out of a fast dive than a P-47 which is what we are discusding here? The fact that they where nasty to land for an 18 year old pilot with 100 flight hours doesn't mean anything regarding their fighting capability either - it was just a boring anecdote

I am laughing my ass out on this one. LOL
Giant piece of metal P-47 can get out of a fast dive better then the Bf-109 ahhahaha.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Rainmaker

DrJet there is no point in disscusing with that guy, he is just ignorant, probably watching history channel every day



I am laughing my ass out on this one. LOL
Giant piece of metal P-47 can get out of a fast dive better then the Bf-109 ahhahaha.

Well the signs says no feeding so...

[Arrow]

Originally Posted by DrJet

Well, it's the matter between playability and historical accuracy, isn't it? I was flying 190 with 500 kgs bomb and got bounced by p51. In a gentle turn with speed less than 350 km, I heard air frame wracking sound yet again, which forced me dropping my bomb and started one on one fighting with p51. I managed to survive and get a kill but I had to fly back to base to bring another bomb that wasted 20 minutes. I would greatly appreciate if anyone can provide any historical proof that this could happen in real plane and why Oleg had not introduced this feature for the last 9 years!
Salute,
DrJet

Even in F-16 when you hang bombs on it you are limitted to 5.5G. If you have a 500kg bomb on a bombrack and you are pulling 3Gs the weight of the bomb is 1.5 tons that the bombrack and the airframe has to hold.