Zuti MDS Still Not Ready For Prime Time.

[KG26_Alpha]

Ok Back on topic

Zuti or DT

If you are still looking in this thread, is it possible you can have a look here.

http://forums.oesau.jg1.org/viewtopic.php?t=17383

Paul Lowengrins DCG in-conjunction with the MDS would be a great immersion addition.

As 4.10 is on the way perhaps a info heads up for him to get started on the project ??

Thxz

[csThor]

LoBiSoMeM

Since you have apparently some troubles understanding what was posted here's the short form (again):

1.) Part of the agreement between Daidalos and 1C Maddox Games was that Daidalos sticks to official limits and standards.
2.) No, 6DOF in its current form does not fulfil standards because of what you call "glitches".
3.) To remove those "glitches" (said in the spirit of euphemism you hardcore mod fans seem to like so much) would require to rework every single cockpit in Il-2 which is far beyond the resources of TD.

Is that simple enough for you?

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by csThor

LoBiSoMeM

Since you have apparently some troubles understanding what was posted here's the short form (again):

1.) Part of the agreement between Daidalos and 1C Maddox Games was that Daidalos sticks to official limits and standards.
2.) No, 6DOF in its current form does not fulfil standards because of what you call "glitches".
3.) To remove those "glitches" (said in the spirit of euphemism you hardcore mod fans seem to like so much) would require to rework every single cockpit in Il-2 which is far beyond the resources of TD.

Is that simple enough for you?

Yes, very simple. IL-2 will never have official support for 6DOF. The "quality standards" today say it's OK to have a dated sim engine in a discontinued project without 6DOF. IL-2 will last forever without it, people even not like to have 6DOF at all.

And we widescreen users will never have minimum decent official support, we will live with a "chop" screen up and down, something that accomplish the "quality standards" of TD and 1C Maddox Games.

I can be sarcastic too. I really like the work of Maddox Games in IL-2 and BoB will be fantastic, but after 1946 the support for IL-2 is over. That's fine, but the posture of the "official patching team", who can't delivery nothing really important, is a shame. Maybe the lack of widescreen support can be a good trade for better skis on planes or assign radiator control to an axis. Daidalos can deliver great ADDON material, but "patch"? Without solving ancient issues? What is a mod and what is a patch?!?!

I paid for IL-2, at least I want decent widescreen support. But if I can't have it "officially", it's a shame and the "official" support maybe have to think a little about all the time talking about "standards"... Cut a lot of my default view to use widescreen resolution is YOUR standards, and a really low one, not mine or others. By the way:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/15320

People still buying IL-2 1946. Can please put in big letters in those sites that IL-2 1946, in 2010, don't have real widescreen support? Make it "official". And rename the "patch" 4.10 as the "official MOD" 4.10, please.

Thanks! Keep the good work!

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Yes, very simple. IL-2 will never have official support for 6DOF. The "quality standards" today say it's OK to have a dated sim engine in a discontinued project without 6DOF. IL-2 will last forever without it, people even not like to have 6DOF at all.

And we widescreen users will never have minimum decent official support, we will live with a "chop" screen up and down, something that accomplish the "quality standards" of TD and 1C Maddox Games.

I can be sarcastic too. I really like the work of Maddox Games in IL-2 and BoB will be fantastic, but after 1946 the support for IL-2 is over. That's fine, but the posture of the "official patching team", who can't delivery nothing really important, is a shame. Maybe the lack of widescreen support can be a good trade for better skis on planes or assign radiator control to an axis. Daidalos can deliver great ADDON material, but "patch"? Without solving ancient issues? What is a mod and what is a patch?!?!

I paid for IL-2, at least I want decent widescreen support. But if I can't have it "officially", it's a shame and the "official" support maybe have to think a little about all the time talking about "standards"... Cut a lot of my default view to use widescreen resolution is YOUR standards, and a really low one, not mine or others. By the way:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/15320

People still buying IL-2 1946. Can please put in big letters in those sites that IL-2 1946, in 2010, don't have real widescreen support? Make it "official". And rename the "patch" 4.10 as the "official MOD" 4.10, please.

Thanks! Keep the good work!

So your complaining that a 10 year old game that hasn't been updated 3 years and is being sold for 10 bucks in the bargain bin because of that doesn't have all of the features you want? Really? Really? Then you insult the people who are spending their own time and resources to make improvements to said game because you aren't getting what you want? Really?

Pull your head out of your ass and take a look around, you'll find it refreshing. Really.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by BadAim

Then you insult the people who are spending their own time and resources to make improvements to said game because you aren't getting what you want? Really?

Pull your head out of your ass and take a look around, you'll find it refreshing. Really.

I'm not "insulting" anybody. Please read all the posts and look CAREFULLY who starts the attacks.

Be a fanboy, but don't make inversions. I spend my time and resources doing other things besides modding IL-2, and I deserve respect too.

[ElAurens]

Respect is earned.

Not given on face value. Dwell on that.


Actually I'm kind of unhappy that I started this topic. I thought that after all this time, that we could discuss problems with the sim, and future additions to it, like adults. I guess I was wrong. I see that the childish attitudes that prevailed at that original mod site still exist. They would not listen to constructive criticism then, and apparently still expect to be adored for their work, no matter how incomplete, trouble prone, or otherwise problematic it may be. Not that it all is, because that isn't true either.

The MDS, if it can be seamlessly integrated into the official versions will be a great addition. But It has to work better than it does now.

That's all I wanted to say initially, so if a moderator would lock this thread, I'd sure appreciate it, because it is spiraling out of control.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Respect is earned.

Not given on face value. Dwell on that.


Actually I'm kind of unhappy that I started this topic. I thought that after all this time, that we could discuss problems with the sim, and future additions to it, like adults. I guess I was wrong. I see that the childish attitudes that prevailed at that original mod site still exist. They would not listen to constructive criticism then, and apparently still expect to be adored for their work, no matter how incomplete, trouble prone, or otherwise problematic it may be. Not that it all is, because that isn't true either.

The MDS, if it can be seamlessly integrated into the official versions will be a great addition. But It has to work better than it does now.

That's all I wanted to say initially, so if a moderator would lock this thread, I'd sure appreciate it, because it is spiraling out of control.

Now this guy is attacking for nothing ZUTI to - maybe - "earn respect"...

Marvelous...

By the way, I'm not an IL-2 modder, not a MOD fanboy", just like to have 6DOF in sims, likes to have decent FOV in sims to keep my SA, and really likes to see "moving things" in IL-2 DF servers...

But I don't deserve respect! Great!

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

I'm not "insulting" anybody. Please read all the posts and look CAREFULLY who starts the attacks.

Be a fanboy, but don't make inversions. I spend my time and resources doing other things besides modding IL-2, and I deserve respect too.

I have read your posts, and my head already hurts from it, so I won't read them carefully.

I don't care who started anything, your still acting like an ungrateful child (and your not alone, just a particularly good example).

Don't bother answering me, as your time is so valuable, I doubt it's worth it and besides, your going directly on my ignore list as you have nothing of any value to say to me.

[Fafnir_6]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Ok Back on topic

Zuti or DT

If you are still looking in this thread, is it possible you can have a look here.

http://forums.oesau.jg1.org/viewtopic.php?t=17383

Paul Lowengrins DCG in-conjunction with the MDS would be a great immersion addition.

As 4.10 is on the way perhaps a info heads up for him to get started on the project ??

Thxz

Hello,

I approached Lowengrin about replacing DGen/NGen with DCG in a future DT patch a few months ago and he seemed receptive to the idea. I also requested the same thing in DT's request thread but I have yet to hear back from them (no doubt they are busy getting 4.10m ready for release). If anything comes from this, we will hear about it after 4.10 is released.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by Fafnir_6

Hello,

I approached Lowengrin about replacing DGen/NGen with DCG in a future DT patch a few months ago and he seemed receptive to the idea. I also requested the same thing in DT's request thread but I have yet to hear back from them (no doubt they are busy getting 4.10m ready for release). If anything comes from this, we will hear about it after 4.10 is released.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

Lowngrins DCG is as important as Zuti's MDS

Would be cool to have both working together