Zuti MDS Still Not Ready For Prime Time.

[dFrog]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

This point could be accepted, if those "minor glitches" of the mods wouldn't look, like a HUGE BUGS next to the "minor glitches" of the official patches. So, well, excuse me... Point is NOT taken.

Why you do not offer helping hand to correct those "minor glitches" and include such mods into official patch ?

And for the 5% - Carrier catapult mod, Bomb Bay Doors mod - will we ever see them "official" ?

[csThor]

What do you think Daidalos is? The salvation army?

The modus operandi is quite clear: If someone thinks his mod is a worthy addition he is to contact TD and then gets a reply if that mod has a chance to make it into a patch or not and what might have to be changed. TD will most certainly not browse modding sites and try to offer technical support there. That's not why Daidalos was founded.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by csThor

What do you think Daidalos is? The salvation army?

The modus operandi is quite clear: If someone thinks his mod is a worthy addition he is to contact TD and then gets a reply if that mod has a chance to make it into a patch or not and what might have to be changed. TD will most certainly not browse modding sites and try to offer technical support there. That's not why Daidalos was founded.

So, Daidalos was founded for some reason but can't deliver 6DOF and wider FOV?

Those two aspects are beyond Team Daidalos, and that's OK. Daidalos don't need to be the salvation army, but mods either have to be the evil in earth or modders a bunch of amateurs doing trivial stuff.

If 6DOF (even with glitches) and wider FOV don't "worthy addition" to some official patch, I don't know what must be into these patches. Those two simple things (yes, it's SIMPLE, you can have glitches - not major bugs - in first person view into cockpits, but that's all) change the way people with head tracking devices and widescreen monitors fly in IL-2.

The only trouble I have with 6DOF and wider FOV is the fact that the mod to change FOV are subject to freezes. By God, why TD can´t put some better control to FOV in IL-2? Because we maybe can see "holes" in one wing, a "missing" panel edge, or some minor distortion?

I'll never get this point, sorry. Even you try to ask for the customers/community if they can live with these glitches? I can.

[KG26_Alpha]

Ok Back on topic

Zuti or DT

If you are still looking in this thread, is it possible you can have a look here.

http://forums.oesau.jg1.org/viewtopic.php?t=17383

Paul Lowengrins DCG in-conjunction with the MDS would be a great immersion addition.

As 4.10 is on the way perhaps a info heads up for him to get started on the project ??

Thxz

[csThor]

LoBiSoMeM

Since you have apparently some troubles understanding what was posted here's the short form (again):

1.) Part of the agreement between Daidalos and 1C Maddox Games was that Daidalos sticks to official limits and standards.
2.) No, 6DOF in its current form does not fulfil standards because of what you call "glitches".
3.) To remove those "glitches" (said in the spirit of euphemism you hardcore mod fans seem to like so much) would require to rework every single cockpit in Il-2 which is far beyond the resources of TD.

Is that simple enough for you?

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by csThor

LoBiSoMeM

Since you have apparently some troubles understanding what was posted here's the short form (again):

1.) Part of the agreement between Daidalos and 1C Maddox Games was that Daidalos sticks to official limits and standards.
2.) No, 6DOF in its current form does not fulfil standards because of what you call "glitches".
3.) To remove those "glitches" (said in the spirit of euphemism you hardcore mod fans seem to like so much) would require to rework every single cockpit in Il-2 which is far beyond the resources of TD.

Is that simple enough for you?

Yes, very simple. IL-2 will never have official support for 6DOF. The "quality standards" today say it's OK to have a dated sim engine in a discontinued project without 6DOF. IL-2 will last forever without it, people even not like to have 6DOF at all.

And we widescreen users will never have minimum decent official support, we will live with a "chop" screen up and down, something that accomplish the "quality standards" of TD and 1C Maddox Games.

I can be sarcastic too. I really like the work of Maddox Games in IL-2 and BoB will be fantastic, but after 1946 the support for IL-2 is over. That's fine, but the posture of the "official patching team", who can't delivery nothing really important, is a shame. Maybe the lack of widescreen support can be a good trade for better skis on planes or assign radiator control to an axis. Daidalos can deliver great ADDON material, but "patch"? Without solving ancient issues? What is a mod and what is a patch?!?!

I paid for IL-2, at least I want decent widescreen support. But if I can't have it "officially", it's a shame and the "official" support maybe have to think a little about all the time talking about "standards"... Cut a lot of my default view to use widescreen resolution is YOUR standards, and a really low one, not mine or others. By the way:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/15320

People still buying IL-2 1946. Can please put in big letters in those sites that IL-2 1946, in 2010, don't have real widescreen support? Make it "official". And rename the "patch" 4.10 as the "official MOD" 4.10, please.

Thanks! Keep the good work!

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Yes, very simple. IL-2 will never have official support for 6DOF. The "quality standards" today say it's OK to have a dated sim engine in a discontinued project without 6DOF. IL-2 will last forever without it, people even not like to have 6DOF at all.

And we widescreen users will never have minimum decent official support, we will live with a "chop" screen up and down, something that accomplish the "quality standards" of TD and 1C Maddox Games.

I can be sarcastic too. I really like the work of Maddox Games in IL-2 and BoB will be fantastic, but after 1946 the support for IL-2 is over. That's fine, but the posture of the "official patching team", who can't delivery nothing really important, is a shame. Maybe the lack of widescreen support can be a good trade for better skis on planes or assign radiator control to an axis. Daidalos can deliver great ADDON material, but "patch"? Without solving ancient issues? What is a mod and what is a patch?!?!

I paid for IL-2, at least I want decent widescreen support. But if I can't have it "officially", it's a shame and the "official" support maybe have to think a little about all the time talking about "standards"... Cut a lot of my default view to use widescreen resolution is YOUR standards, and a really low one, not mine or others. By the way:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/15320

People still buying IL-2 1946. Can please put in big letters in those sites that IL-2 1946, in 2010, don't have real widescreen support? Make it "official". And rename the "patch" 4.10 as the "official MOD" 4.10, please.

Thanks! Keep the good work!

So your complaining that a 10 year old game that hasn't been updated 3 years and is being sold for 10 bucks in the bargain bin because of that doesn't have all of the features you want? Really? Really? Then you insult the people who are spending their own time and resources to make improvements to said game because you aren't getting what you want? Really?

Pull your head out of your ass and take a look around, you'll find it refreshing. Really.

[Fafnir_6]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Ok Back on topic

Zuti or DT

If you are still looking in this thread, is it possible you can have a look here.

http://forums.oesau.jg1.org/viewtopic.php?t=17383

Paul Lowengrins DCG in-conjunction with the MDS would be a great immersion addition.

As 4.10 is on the way perhaps a info heads up for him to get started on the project ??

Thxz

Hello,

I approached Lowengrin about replacing DGen/NGen with DCG in a future DT patch a few months ago and he seemed receptive to the idea. I also requested the same thing in DT's request thread but I have yet to hear back from them (no doubt they are busy getting 4.10m ready for release). If anything comes from this, we will hear about it after 4.10 is released.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by Fafnir_6

Hello,

I approached Lowengrin about replacing DGen/NGen with DCG in a future DT patch a few months ago and he seemed receptive to the idea. I also requested the same thing in DT's request thread but I have yet to hear back from them (no doubt they are busy getting 4.10m ready for release). If anything comes from this, we will hear about it after 4.10 is released.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

Lowngrins DCG is as important as Zuti's MDS

Would be cool to have both working together

[Fafnir_6]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Lowngrins DCG is as important as Zuti's MDS

Would be cool to have both working together

Agreed . It would likely be a pain to get this debugged, though. We can always hope. With 4.09m, DT delivered in a big way. 4.10m will rule as well. In the future, the sky is the limit and it is a good time to be a flight simmer .

Cheers,

Fafnir_6