Friday 2010-11-12 Dev. update and Discussion

[nearmiss]

There are plenty of ways to do things. A true FAQ or WIKI you would think would work.

It won't because there are always people that refuse to cooperate.
Those members always want the fresh answer, even if their question has been answered hundreds of times.

The update threads are a nuisance after the first couple days they always turn into something like this. Yet, Oleg often answers poster questions later in the week... so we let it run as a sticky thread until the next update.

If you don't like the tone of the thread... ignore the worthless words, and ask or make your own sensible postings. Oleg may answer those postings.

[philip.ed]

Nearmiss, I just think that people should not be allowed to openly say 'why are you posting this it's all crap' which pretty much sums up a few of the members on here. They could easily say this privately.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Nearmiss, I just think that people should not be allowed to openly say 'why are you posting this it's all crap' which pretty much sums up a few of the members on here. They could easily say this privately.

But stuff like:

"Hi Oleg, please tell me this and explain that, because the staus quo right now really looks like ****, I mean, even game xy from 1999 did that better."

should be ok.?

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by swiss

But stuff like:

"Hi Oleg, please tell me this and explain that, because the staus quo right now really looks like ****, I mean, even game xy from 1999 did that better."

should be ok.?

Not as a statement, you're right it's pointless, but if posed as a question and justified by pictures/videos/etc then why not? If it's directed at Oleg it's for him to answer; people don't need to act as his own advisors and try and answer the question for him, unless they can prove the post wrong with anyting Oleg has said or posted before
As long as everyone is calm and rational, and not rude and insulting, then things can run smoother. But yes, such posts can be rude if phrased that way. There are ways of saying things where one can be a lot more polite.

[major_setback]

So stop bickering!!!!!!!!!

[philip.ed]

Maybe that's the point; not everyone will agree with everything you have to say, so don't try and argue against that?

[Solnyshko]

I think actually Phil the point is space lost to pointless banter could be better used. Constant toing and froing such as this is exhausting to wade through *cough*

And quickly responding to Klem– and not wanting to contribute further to the faff...

Originally Posted by klem

If that was aimed at me let me explain as I have asked questions that may well have been answered before...

Not at all, apologies if it came across that way. I was responding in haste (and exasperation) - but could have been clearer. It wasn’t my intention to target individuals, on the contrary I'm also keen to hear feedback on issues you've raised.

My point, a simple one was that A) Developer posts a plea asking for cooperation and restraint B) community here then launches into a confused series of interpretations – including digging up old questions raised by Oleg seeking clarification on an earlier query from us and then, although already answered in this very thread, is given a new definition which in turn opens another discussion about what in this case I think was flaprons.... Phew

(edit) It’s understandable; there is so much to get through in an update thread, and consequently a lot of repetition. But it would I think not be asking too much to exercise self-control now and again. Just taking a moment before hitting the reply button and thinking, does everyone here really want to share this? Other forums manage it

This thread has had 39,095 hits to date – I can’t believe everyone reading is moved to voice their personal take on someone else’s reply to a question already answered.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Not as a statement, you're right it's pointless, but if posed as a question and justified by pictures/videos/etc then why not? If it's directed at Oleg it's for him to answer; people don't need to act as his own advisors and try and answer the question for him, unless they can prove the post wrong with anyting Oleg has said or posted before
As long as everyone is calm and rational, and not rude and insulting, then things can run smoother. But yes, such posts can be rude if phrased that way. There are ways of saying things where one can be a lot more polite.

Look phil, it's not about the question itself - it's about the way many of them are are formulated, and that is often very offensive.
For all I care you can ask oleg if his trees are green - ok, go.

A (imho) no go is: Oleg your trees not only suck, but also I've seen waaaay more realistic models in Mario Bros for the c64 in '92.

Language barrier is not argument, you really dont need an advanced to formulate a question politely.

[philip.ed]

I agree with you there; the comment isn't really supported by any tangible evidence, and it's plain rude
If someone posts something like that, I think the best solution is to post nicely, rather than flame them, 'cos you're just dropping to their level.
I may have posted saying things like 'the smoke looks awful', but really I hope to never do so again. Or if I feel that way, say: 'Oleg, look here______the smoke looks a lot different than what we've seen in SoW. Will this type of smoke be modelled, or are you still finetuning the process? Of course this aspect of the sim will be hard to get accurate, as there is little evidence to use for this which shows the smoke accurately, but it would be interesting to have an insight into how you model damage effects like this.'
Whilst some may say that asking Oleg for such an insight is rude and too expectant, I feel if you're polite than all Oleg needs to say is 'no, sorry' or completely disregard the post altogether if he wishes


Sorry to have gone AWOL (again)

[swiss]

If I remember correctly, you posted something like " drawn by a child in watercolors", however, recently I can assure you you were not responsible for any raise of my blood pressure.



But a post in pilot body/face thread made my jaw hit the space bar on my keyboard...

(...and hitting the space bar with my jaw causes an instant meltdown, at least to me)