Friday 2010-11-12 Dev. update and Discussion

[robtek]

I`ve tried 3d first with B17-the mighty eight and found the experience marvelous.
Having said that you will find that that title was most definitely not made for 3d-vision!
So all this talking if SoW:BoB would include 3d-vision is meaningless.
The program sends all video-information, including depth, to the graphics-driver, which then produces the output to the screen.
If the graphics-driver is programmed to deliver a 3d-picture he will do it with any game that gives depth-information to it.
With the b17 ptogramm i used a nvidia card with 3d-glasses connected to this card, a solution for which driver developement was cancelled sorrily.
I still have those, now useless, shutter glasses around here somewhere, though no nvidia card anymore.

[Necrobaron]

Originally Posted by Letum

Because your natural 3d vision only works well for ~0-50m in front of you, flight
sims are probably the worst place to use 3d as most of the action is more
than 50m away. That said, it does enhance the difference between the
cockpit and the outside world more.

ed: after a little googling, it turns out that the absolute natural limit for depth
perception is about 400m, but on a TV screen, the limit is much lower due to
the resolution limiting the size of binocular differences.
100m limit might be closer to the mark.

Good point and something I didn't realize. I imagine low level flying could be pretty interesting...
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[Freycinet]

Originally Posted by furbs

Cheers...i dont have the 3d glasses...works well then?

Can't you see the video? - It is not a vid for 3D glasses, it is a cross-eye video. Cross your eyes and you'll have a 3D image in the middle.

[furbs]

you winding me up ?

[Freycinet]

Originally Posted by furbs

you winding me up ?

No.

For that video, glasses will do nothing.

You need to use this technique:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBa-bCxsZDk

[Trumper]

Ironic to think the sim is being built along the lines of a conflict that fought for freedom and freedom of speech and is ironically now restricted in many ways by countries imposing what they think should be allowed or banned, - - oh the irony [especially today of all days remembrance day here ]
If Olegs hands are tied well so be it nothing can be done.
A friend of mine has pointed out how limited an interest the BoB theatre of ops will actually be to some people [not me ,i can't wait ] so how quickly after this release will the next possibly more easily sold theatre of op s be released?.
Will you be able to buy them as stand alone individual sims or do you have to have BoB and then add on that.
Thanks

[furbs]

Originally Posted by Trumper

Ironic to think the sim is being built along the lines of a conflict that fought for freedom and freedom of speech and is ironically now restricted in many ways by countries imposing what they think should be allowed or banned, - - oh the irony [especially today of all days remembrance day here ]
If Olegs hands are tied well so be it nothing can be done.
A friend of mine has pointed out how limited an interest the BoB theatre of ops will actually be to some people [not me ,i can't wait ] so how quickly after this release will the next possibly more easily sold theatre of op s be released?.
Will you be able to buy them as stand alone individual sims or do you have to have BoB and then add on that.
Thanks

Both i think mate.

[Freycinet]

Originally Posted by SQB

As long as you view it embedded in the 1C forum page you need cross-eye.

[Avimimus]

Originally Posted by furbs

Hope Oleg reads this far...

Anyway, Oleg i know 3D vision is not going to be in BOB, but are there any plans to have it in the future?

has anyone tried 3D vision in a flightsim and how did it look and feel?

Yes, the makers of TrackIR offered a system back around 2002 (before 3d had its resurgence). A SimHQ review reported that it helped with judging distances at short ranges in Il-2, but that the shutters were somewhat annoying. Some other games didn't work as well.

[klem]

The Swastika.

I'm not at all sure I want to dip my toe in but here's my one-off.

Let's just be practical about this.

1. It is deeply offensive to many people and will continue to be so for many years.
2. It's use in various ways is banned in many countries.
3. Oleg, possibly for these reasons alone and possibly others too has decided it will not be available in SoW.
4. The ability for users to add their own skins means they can add it if they wish to and use it in their own homes.
5. On-line servers can decide whether they will allow it through skin downloads and warn/kick/ban if they wish.
6. On-line server operators may run into legal difficulties if they allow it's use.

In practice, our own opinions don't really account for much in the real and practical world of whether it will/should be allowed. Laws are Laws.

Where it is used and permitted in on-line servers be aware that it may be causing offence to other players as much as if you were hurling racist abuse (as they may see it) through the Chat bar although they do have the choice of not using that server. If SoW ever goes to a MMOG I doubt very much if it will be allowed on a large Host server because of it's global nature.

I'm not saying "I'm right" but I really don't see what else there is to the debate. Anything else is simply a matter of personal preference.

I suppose I should declare my own position. I have a very clear knowledge of what was done 'under the Nazi use of the Swastika'. I found those things deeply offensive. Curiously I have discovered that I am not actually offended by it's appearance in IL-2. I suppose that's because I am able to separate 'game' from 'history' and do not assume that the virtual pilot is a Neo Nazi. I am conscious of the offence it causes others and it does gives me a strange feeling to see it but I personally am not bothered if it is available or not and, in deference to those it offends, I don't think it should be permitted without being declared on the server.