Mig-3

[Avimimus]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Did the real Mig 3 really have the non existant elevators like the in game version?

Honestly I cannot imagine building a fighter that has what amounts to no elevators.

Well, it is a high speed design. The long engine means that you can already get some quite odd (and useful) behaviours at high angles of attack. In my own experience I've never felt that I needed more powerful elevators (compared to the Lavochkin's poor responsiveness in pitch, for instance).

Having control surfaces that don't separate from the plane at 720kph on the other hand... would be nice.

[ElAurens]

At speed I think any medium bomber in the game has more elevator authority than the Mig-3. I find it difficult to accept this on the face of it.

I'm just wondering what the real bird was like.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

At speed I think any medium bomber in the game has more elevator authority than the Mig-3. I find it difficult to accept this on the face of it.

I'm just wondering what the real bird was like.

Maybe the elevators stiffened up at speed, other planes did that (was it ailerons on the Spitfire?), I find the MiG turns quite well (compared to the 109E) if you keep the speed down.

[SaQSoN]

Check out this link:

http://hansebund.ru/forum/index.php/...n.html#msg5413

[ElAurens]

Thanks for the great link!!!

It sure is a beautiful aircraft.

[Tempest123]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

Check out this link:

http://hansebund.ru/forum/index.php/...n.html#msg5413

Thanks for the link, great pics. Such a good restoration but the airfield looks like it's been abandoned, is this common in russia? It's funny how it looks like such a modern design but from what I've read it couldn't compete in dogfights with the Bf 109, I wonder if it was the pilot training or the aircraft that caused that.

I've been flying the Mig for a bit in Il2 and its not a bad plane, esp. the 2xShvaK model, it's no La-5 but was it really this good IRL? But of course the 3d model and esp. the cockpit are dated.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by Tempest123

Thanks for the link, great pics. Such a good restoration but the airfield looks like it's been abandoned, is this common in russia?

As far, as I can tell, this airfield belongs to some aircraft repair factory, which doesn't have need to maintain it to a highest standards. Besides, I wouldn't tell, it is in too bad shape if you look at the airstrip itself. It's just a tarmac in front of the Aviarestavratzia hangar, that looks abandoned.

Commercial and military airfields are well maintained, though.

Originally Posted by Tempest123

It's funny how it looks like such a modern design but from what I've read it couldn't compete in dogfights with the Bf 109, I wonder if it was the pilot training or the aircraft that caused that.

MiG-3 was designed as high-altitude interceptor. While previously most of the USSR fighters were aimed for a high maneuverability at low and medium alt. So, basically, it is the same story as with Japanese Ki-44. At the time, the plane become available, the VVS didn't have a suitable tactics for it. More over, when the war started it was forced by a circumstances to act in non-favorable conditions, for which it was not designed for.
However, some pilots, managed to use it's advantages and performed very well in it. One of the most famous Soviet aces, Pokrishkin earned his first victories in MiG-3 and kept it in high regard. But then again, he used a correct tactics for the plane, avoiding dogfights and using BnZ tactics.

Originally Posted by Tempest123

I've been flying the Mig for a bit in Il2 and its not a bad plane, esp. the 2xShvaK model, it's no La-5 but was it really this good IRL? But of course the 3d model and esp. the cockpit are dated.

I think, it's fairly well modeled form FM point of view.

[Ltbear]

I realy enjoy the mig-3. Weapons on it is kinda well...some good some bad......

It comes down to how you fly the plane. Normaly i go to some aviation site where i read about the planes operations, and try to adopt a flying style that is most suitet for the plane type.

What i in general are using is z&b in all planes, just work within the limitations of altitude and speed. Even the zero is a decent B&z`er if you keep it within its envolope...

The biggest isue we have from the RL war and our sim war is that we have the info on what some did wrong, or what they didnt figure out, so we can use the wastness of information to avoid the same errors, and that will make some planes look and fly better in a online world than reportet by RL history....

The Mig-3 ran into that problem for me on a online server last night, i shot down a few 109`s and ended up in a debate about FM`s and UFO`s.....