Friday 2010-10-01 Dev. update and Discussion

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Hood

And you can never ever get used to the clouds in the UK. To paraphrase what Clostermann said US pilots used to say - "If you get lost oer Europe just look for the biggest blackest cloud and that goddamn island will be right beneath it."Hood

Not wanting to necessarily resurrect the cloud debate, but here's a Catalina in typical British cloudscape, plus a few shots I took at 5.45pm tonight over another famous English river estuary.
Whoops! The cat is sideways, sorry.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Not wanting to necessarily resurrect the cloud debate, but here's a Catalina in typical British cloudscape, plus a few shots I took at 5.45pm tonight over another famous English river estuary.
Whoops! The cat is sideways, sorry.

Great pictures. Looking back at the previous updates, I think the really high clouds could do with some work too...

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Great pictures. Looking back at the previous updates, I think the really high clouds could do with some work too...

Actually, I was deliberately hunting for flat bottoms.
Perhaps you were thinking of Kentish girls?

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Actually, I was deliberately hunting for flat bottoms.
Perhaps you were thinking of Kentish girls?

heheh
I think the type of Cumulus is clear in your picture. The only issue is that it proves that there are so many types of this cloud it would be murder to model it in the sim.
I think this is what Oleg and co experienced with the trees, so they opted to go the route of speed-tree. There are a few 3rd party cloud-applications which I think could be used to great advantage in SoW, but we'll see
those pictures you posted are beautiful though.

[Baron]

On the transparent cockpit issue.

Its not everyones job here to make sure new players play the game the "right" way, it is however Olegs job to make sure as many "newbies" as possible buys SoW and more importantly, sticks with it.

[philip.ed]

I think it could be useful, but I don't like the idea of seeing planes below you.
One feature I like in BoB2 is that the player can press a button (F5 off the top of my head) which draws a triangle on the screen and you can put this over any A/C and padlock it. For (non)TIR users, it can be extremely useful. The triangle disappears unless you have icons on, so doesn't detract from the realism.
Also, in BoB2, if a plane goes under your wing or your plane when padlocked you never lose sight of it. Whether this is real is debateable, but I have always preferred this feature.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

For TIR users, it can be extremely useful.

You mean for non-Tir users?

[Buzpilot]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_851
Yeah, I know you to be right. Most of the closed cockpit stuff on HL seem to need a variety of erm, well, mods though. I have standard v4.09 and the old AAA 1.2.
All seem to be having problems with invisible planes and other anomalies.
I'm not sure I can be bothered getting UP, just to get shot down by an invisible plane whether cockpit is on or off.

Any suggestions for which 'room' to go for?

But all of that is another reason to look forward to SoW.
I promise I'll always fly full real when that comes along.
Anything else would be a waste!


1. Get UP 2.01
2. Get IL serverlibrary - enables mods automatically

3. invisible planes: happens(on some servers) if ppl decide to pick a different country than default.
Good thing: invisible planes can't cause any damage. You'll hear the noise but no damage.

4. SoV, KV13, BoB(currently down), Warclouds, Spitvs109Mod

It can also be Skin download, in Network options, that cause invisible planes.
Many servers seem to limit the bandwidth. And those planes are invisible while downloading the skin, and they are deadly.
Try disable it.

[matsher]

Originally Posted by Baron

On the transparent cockpit issue.

Its not everyones job here to make sure new players play the game the "right" way, it is however Olegs job to make sure as many "newbies" as possible buys SoW and more importantly, sticks with it.

Originally Posted by xnomad

Rather than a see through cockpit, if you want continuous target tracking, then a simpler option would be to allow the target icons to continue tracking inside the cockpit. This way you would know where the targets are. Perhaps have a target dot with the icon as well so you can line up your deflection shot.

I don't know why people fly Wonder Woman view but I'm guessing if they had the above they might stick to cockpit on settings?

Thank you Baron... Artfully said.
Gentlemen... It is noted that most of you view wonderview with utter disstain.
And thats totally fine. No one is prescribing to you how you should fly the sim,
everyone finds their own comfort zone after some time. And it is not our prerogative to prescribe to others how they 'should' play...

What is important though, as IL2 lifers and experienced flyers, is to grow a new
generation of flyers and try and make it as 'easy' to get hooked on the Maddox
drug as possible... There will always be a purists way to fly as well as a casual way ... Just remember the first time you tried to fly IL2 ... Do you remember the pain and suffering you had to endure before some benevolent pilot started giving you a few tips here and a few tips there...

Now with that in mind... Can you tell me how you see my suggestion...

I have to say that XNOMAD's solution is massively simple and probably an excellent way to do it. It keeps the integrity of the cockpit view while providing some additional targeting information... Hmmm Nice one... I'll try and mock it up for you guys to see if it doesn't look too disruptive...

Please lets keep this going I want to collect the best solution for the next friday's update and hopefully present a very well thought out case to Oleg and Team.

Thanks for all the productive input, I feel we are really starting to get somewhere.

[caprera]

I'm so happy to see some Italian planes finally and not the usual single presence of a single one just for background reasons.
I hope some of them will be flyable