Friday 2010-10-01 Dev. update and Discussion

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by furbs

yes...when ever Tree says something that isnt "nice" a kitten dies...jeez...there is a ignore button...use it if Tree makes you cry.

And here we go again. And I don't mean you, furbs.

Any more comments on the question regarding squadron codes?
This appeared to me as being something Mr Maddox might actually appreciate some comment on.

[philip.ed]

Moaning at someone who, in turn, moans about the game is just as bad. Be the better person and take a step above. If they really are so low, then don't stoop to their level

[nearmiss]

What I find interesting is Oleg never finishes a sentence with a ? mark.

That indicates to me he isn't asking, is he?

He provides updates and a little discussion. I don't think he is asking for anyone's input. The BOB SOW is on the downwind leg. Everything now is about refinements and de-bugging.

Oleg is just being a nice guy posting updates, because he enjoys his work and likes to share.

[philip.ed]

But he hasn't turned advice and information away, has he? The term 'discussion' exactly sums up these very topics. Discussion about the update which includes personal feelings. That's just my view on it though. No doubt others will differ in their opinions...

[mungee]

I'm "taking the bait"!!
I feel that I must say something on the "niggle" that appears to be dominating the content of this thread at the moment!
You know, it's really the MANNER in which things are said that can "hurt", irritate, upset etc others.
I am, I suspect, relatively old when compared to most of the members of this forum, and I must point out (at great risk of being told to "get lost") that criticism can be done and can be quite "palatable"IF it is done in a polite and constructive manner.
With respect to those who are drawaing "flak" for critical comments made, I respectfully suggest that you consider the MANNER in which you say things.
I'm aware that the world of today is VERY different from the world that I was brought up in - people are generally more selfish, less caring, less sensitive etc - I think that it's happening worldwide (eg TV reality shows thrive because they show someone being made a fool of, or being rejected by fellow participants etc) - it's a pity, but I think that we all being exposed to this side of things, and there's nothing we can do about it - however, let's try and leave it off this forum.
Oleg and his team are clearly producing a ground-breaking flight sim that is going to be way ahead of "the opposition" - apart from being grateful, encourage him and his team with constructive and polite criticism.
There ... I've got that "off my chest"!!

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

MD, show me where I have posted something appalling.
Did you actually read my original post before saying that I wrote something appalling? My first post was a simple question that I had posed to Oleg. There was nothing rude about it.

tbh that particular comment wasn't specifically aimed at you. if someone posts something appallingly childish etc etc

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

It is so worrying here how any critisim is recieved, some of you lot are boardering on fanatical, it really is a joke. No offence of course.

there's a ton of difference between constructive criticism and whiny griping about childlike landscapes.

[philip.ed]

Sorry, recently I have built up quite a guilty conscience on here. My apologies for accusing you.

[fireflyerz]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Sorry, recently I have built up quite a guilty conscience on here. My apologies for accusing you.

No you aint mate , its just the usual suspects grinding you down , your friends are still here and the questions you ask aint by any means whining or out of order , your input like Zorins , dose make a difference.

[philip.ed]

Cheers, I appreciate it

[Blackdog_kt]

Here we go again...of course it makes an impact.

You know, i take all this time to write long posts in an effort to cover all angles and be polite but i suspect nobody reads them

So, i'll say it short this time.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

"Oleg, i think that the squadron codes are wrong. I have this and that historical references and these pictures. Do you think they could be changed before release or looked at in a post-release patch? Also, nice to see your efforts on the terrain, the draw distance is very good and the amount of objects higher than most other flight sims, but the color palette needs some work. If you are interested, i can provide you with some references"--> GOOD. It provides useful feedback in a respectable manner and the user is making an effort to make himself useful instead of only pointing fingers.

"Oh no! The terrain colours are totally wrong and the texture resolution is appalling. To be honest, i can't see how this is up to par for a 2010 sim, when we have better looking terrain in IL2 already"--> BAD. It simply points out the flaws without providing any amount of information as to what's wrong in the poster's opinion. It also degrades the work of professionals and when that happens by amateurs, it saps any kind of credibility the poster might have had with a better choice of words.

It's perfectly fine to say things are in need of improvement. It's not fine at all to say "things are crap, please fix it" while doing nothing at all to specify what needs fixing or how.