Friday 2010-07-23 Dev. update and Discussions

[louisv]

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

maybe it's because we been waiting this since 2005, and 5 years later see some things too similar to il2 engine, makes you wonder why.

If what you have been seeing in the updates in the last few weeks looks to you like IL-2, then there is no hope for you

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by louisv

If what you have been seeing in the updates in the last few weeks looks to you like IL-2, then there is no hope for you

The smoke looks like Il-2, the sky looks like Il-2, the clouds (when not lit to show the individual particles) look like Il-2 so I can see what he's saying. Of course, I can see all these features being haveily tweaked, but it's not really 2010 standard. I have full faith in the team, but we need to see this in video form to get a real grasp of it.
But really I can see so many things that are similar to Il-2; smoke and fire that just don't look right (I have seen lots of WW2 guncam footage, a fair amount in colour, and the smoke doesn't look like this, and the fire in the hurricane pic just looks odd) so really I can see that certain features are like they have been regurgetated from Il-2. Take the tracer, the tracer from the .303's that I've seen in guncam videos has had smoke-trails behind the burning tracer. This looks a bit like Il-2's lasers...

But really people take these comments too seriously; they are just small aspects of the game, and it'd be pages of essays to concentrate on each individual amazing aspect.

[Avimimus]

Err... The closest thing we have to 2010 standard for flightsims is Lock-on Flaming Cliffs 2 and Rise of Flight - not a very large sample.

Just have faith. It will appear over-saturated - because that is what Oleg does. It will come out with a few details looking a bit like Il-2 - because the project is being rushed a little. It will be astounding - because that is what Oleg does. Finally, it will be developed further (by Oleg or 3rd parties).

So, yes, I take your comments far too seriously (especially as the tracers last week were dots and now they've become lines). Very silly of my really.

[SlipBall]

IL-2 was done very well, to the point that we all still fly it. I really don't expect SOW to look that much different from what was very much, near perfection. It certainly will look better in the end, just stop the critique of every up-date, and say thank you for a change of pace.

[Jaws2002]

I see some of you here are really acting like the "vilage idiot" with your rude coments. Is because of this kind of morons, Oleg stoped being directly involved with the IL-2 community. I think you guys need to have a good look in the mirror and stay away from this forum for a while. You are not helping one bit.

[Tone71]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

IL-2 was done very well, to the point that we all still fly it. I really don't expect SOW to look that much different from what was very much, near perfection. It certainly will look better in the end, just stop the critique of every up-date, and say thank you for a change of pace.

Couldn't agree more. Let's not forget that IL-2 is almost 9 years old! And graphically still puts many new games to shame.

Originally Posted by Tone71

Couldn't agree more. Let's not forget that IL-2 is almost 9 years old! And graphically still puts many new games to shame.

That's maybe true but why don't you think further.
With the graphics we have seen in the last updates, how can these "put many new games to shame" in 2020.

I would say, the graphics of SoW BoB are nearly ok for 2010/2011 but not for much longer.

Don't always compare to the previous game. Compare it to what is standard.

Originally Posted by Hecke

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Don't always compare to the previous game. Compare it to what is standard.

The "previous game" [IL-2] IS the standard. When SoW is released IT will be the standard. Before IL-2 was released CFS-2 WAS the standard. But only by comparison. It still puzzles me that with the resources and talent at Microsoft they can't even hope to compete with a relatively small team from Russia.

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by Hecke

That's maybe true but why don't you think further.
With the graphics we have seen in the last updates, how can these "put many new games to shame" in 2020.

I would say, the graphics of SoW BoB are nearly ok for 2010/2011 but not for much longer.

Don't always compare to the previous game. Compare it to what is standard.

SoW will put new standards in sim industry.

Graphics in engine based on real physics laws comparing to most other games in the world, that claimed themselves ultrarealistic.
Graphics optimized for the great amount of AI units operating in air and on the ground sea on a large square....

Graphics in engine is scalable from space to the ground and looks everywhere perfect... probably no one engine can performs these conditions for that day. And we should remember that it is flight sim, but not the other genre game!


Aircarft, ground units - you can't see more precise in any other game now and probably in future. You may see with more polygons and more greater size of textures.... and thinking then it looks better, but it will be wrong opinion....because all these models are not precise.... and mimics real just in some part... I don't count other things that NOBODY MODELING....or doing it wrong or replacing by wrong methods advertithing then that it is right and user then thinking the same, if he isn't experienced in real laws of physics, etc...


Also, from the beginning the first sim is a base for the following series
with additions of new features... using experience of own IL-2 and others , including suggestions of players, real pilots from around the world...


In Flight sims Il-2 is still world standard for the combat flight sims. Standard with engine which is in modification even now.
Standards of Il-2 we may see in many-many other new games that wer coming more later. Ideas that were in Il-2 now using a lot of developers....

Still Il-2 offers so much that no one can offer really for these that love WWII aaviation.
And repeat it for others would be really too hard if really possible.


Still all new developers try to compare own producs with Il-2.... and then anyway users in most cases come back to Il-2....


I try to keep silence about what we will offer with the release and then after.... Becasue our ideas, my personal ideas a lot of others simply copying.... Even some time copy my speeches with users.... however I'm speaking to users on the same level and never tell that I'm (or we) a star(s)....

We simply doing our work.

Ilya, as american, can traslate my thoughs better...
I'm in vacation.