Friday 2010-07-09 Dev. update and Discussion Thread

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by leggit

Sigh...

you poor thing, all a bit much for you ?

Originally Posted by leggit

You "remember" southern Britain as lush and green yes it can be, right now because we haven't had any rain in a few weeks its looking rather dry and sunburnt. the grass is all yellow and burnt etc.

yes of course the countryside in england can dry out due to weeks of no rain, but no that doesnt mean that part of england suddenly turns into scenery that resembles the french maquis in the south of france during summer

looking closer at the pictures again, to try and identify what exactly makes the scenery in that recent shot look more southern-france then southern-england to me (cluster of low flying german bombers): i think it is mainly the color of the tree foliage being to light, it should be a much richer lively brighter green (and no, not fluro green like we had a few months ago).

Originally Posted by leggit

my point is what you think something should look like and what would be a more realistic depicition are sometimes very different...most people look but only a few see.

no need for escaping into psychobabble

unless the person is color blind or has some other visual defect, seeing and interpreting the landscape color spectrum around you in real life is no magical mystery tour requiring profound interpretation, it simply is what it is and can be accurately reproduced in visual media like video or photographs.

note: oleg repeatedly stated this is wip and vegetation colours and even trees shapes and types are not final
note 2; the same screenshot i am saying has to much of a bleached look to it in tree/foliage (not the agricultural fields themselves) also for the 1e time starts to show some combined BoB elements of scenery, low flying planes, houses, roads, fields, trees, forest, hedges (yes even a monthy python shrubbery !). oleg posted the picture for that reason i suspect, and it is good to see the project coming together (looks good !)

[philip.ed]

Zapatista, don't get angry because you're wrong. He is 100% correct; as much as the colours will be affected by rain, there was a great absence of this in the major part of the BoB with the weather changing in July to one of the hottest summers in History. If you still live in Blighty, you'd know about this. No need to quote me and explain how I am wrong, both leggit and I are correct, and whilst the colours would be affected by precipitation, an absence of this means that the grass would look exactly like I can see outside. Even with some rain in the past day, the grass is still dry and yellowed.

Also, although the shots posted show all these features together, a set of screens posted last year showed mostly all of the listed features even with smoking chimneys, so apart some very WIP terrain textures we haven't really been shown much more.

[reflected]

Hmmm...the terrain looks very bright indeed, as if it was "Storm of War: Battle for Middle Earth"

Then again, it might be totally realistic. Unfortunately, I'm not British. Can anyone from the Misty Albion tell me how close this is to reality?

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by reflected

Hmmm...the terrain looks very bright indeed, as if it was "Storm of War: Battle for Middle Earth"

Then again, it might be totally realistic. Unfortunately, I'm not British. Can anyone from the Misty Albion tell me how close this is to reality?

Hey mate It's not close to how it would have looked during the BoB. I don't even think that these colours are that apparent in the wetter seasons here in Blighty...



something like this may be closer, but even then the greens may be a bit too lush

[PeterPanPan]

Well, I live in the south east of England, and here's what I can see from my window right now.

We have had very little rain lately, and it's been pretty hot, much like the summer of 1940. The garden on the left sees a lot of activity (kids, not Spits) and is not watered, much like a grass airfield 70 years ago. Looks pretty yellow to me.

The garden on the right has no kids and is watered all the time.

I'm guessing the one on the left is more realistic for 1940 airfield grass. Did people water their gardens in 1940? No idea. Does someone know?

Oh ... not saying which is my garden!!

PPanPan

[reflected]

They say "The neighbour's grass is always greener" so yours must be the one on the left

The in-game shots look a bit on the mynth green side compared to what Philip.Ed posted - me thinks

[PeterPanPan]

Originally Posted by reflected

They say "The neighbour's grass is always greener" so yours must be the one on the left

Darn it, how did you guess?!

PPanPan

[zapatista]

that latest picture from peterpan exactly illustrates my point, one garden might be wattered during drought (and its grass is therefore much greener), but it makes absolutely no difference to the trees and their foliage color on either side, those are exactly the same

disclaimer: these are oleg wip shots we are talking about, with him repeatedly stating colors and textures are not final

[philip.ed]

Well, I was talking about grass; not trees so my fact stands

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

and whilst the colours would be affected by precipitation, an absence of this means that the grass would look exactly like I can see outside. Even with some rain in the past day, the grass is still dry and yellowed.

why is it so hard to actually read the text that was written, instead of replacing it with your own preconceived idea's and then arguing with yourself pretending it is what i said ?

grasses and crop plants react relatively quickly to drought or rain, trees dont (roots are much deeper and able to still access water for a longer period), and it is trees that in that screenshot mostly look to bleached/light imo . if you are in indeed in kent, just go out for a walk in the countryside, and have a look at the color of the tree foliage and hedges. obviously they dont go brown or bleached in the summer (yet grasses and crops can). only in the last stages, when the tree is dying, will that actually happen

philip.ed, dont get confused by seeing forum threads as chat fest, nobody needs to agree with you (or me). other posters comment in this thread are about comparing current scenery colors/tones/shades with real life events (as much as we can do so for a ww2 period), and for that it will need photographs/video from real life, not opinion (be this yours or mine). if you want to be productive and live in kent and it is a long dry summer there again, maybe go out with a decent digital camera and go take some landscape/scenery shots to post here.