Another method of activating SOW.........

[robtek]

I also think a activation like windows would be bearable plus a password protected account for online play where the verification happens at the server of the publisher via the game-server.

[WTE_Galway]

Personally I have bought every release of IL2 and I have spent a lot of time releasing skinpacks and missions just to show support. I would never have done any of this if the game was pay to play or required online activation. My gaming machine is not online. I dislike the new approach to DRM with a passion.

The only reason I do not own Rise of Flight is the insidious DRM it came out with required online activation to play offline. Apparently the next release of RoF will now allow an offline mode. I may actually consider getting the next release of RoF if the DRM issue has been resolved.

Edit:

Actually if a 4.10 IL2 DVD came out with no copy protection I would immediately buy it even though I already have the IL2 1946 DVD and can download patches for free


I would also add that there is a THIRD unscrupulous method used by online games such as Evony which is to make the games totally free but sell in-game advantages to people that pay which make the non-payers uncompetitive.

[AKA_Tenn]

i don't mind online activation, i do mind having a limit on the amount of activations i can do... i format my hard drive a lot, i'd hate to have to keep buying new copies just because i had to re-install my game a few times.

also i don't have a credit card, so having in-game items that require one to buy them would be bad.

generally games fail when you have to not only pay for them, but even after you pay for them you find out its not "really" free to play, you still gotta pay even more to actually be competitive (to actually play). the only in-game items that you should be able to purchace are ones that don't effect the gameplay and don't give anyone anywhere an advantage... like skins... or maybe a different reflector sight, that kinda thing... at least for online gameplay...

and the idea where u get a totally useless game for free, but u can pay for addons... just doesn't make sense for a combat flight sim u wanna be able to see all the glory right off the bat, not get shot down and lose all the time in some useless crappy assed plane... that'd make u not wanna buy the game, instead u'd never wanna look at it again.

maybe doing something like Aces high does... (or used to do) where u have a free 8 player game mode, and u can play offline, but u don't get the glory of playing with everyone in the big online campeign unless u pay for it. it would solve the problems for the few and far between people in the places so rural they don't have broadband internet, and also allow for something like a battle.net type lobby.(im talking more like the diablo 1 type battle.net, not the warcraft 3 type one)

[janpitor]

I think you are speaking about rise of flight. If you buy rise of flight, you dont get any crappy planes. As I remember , when I bought it, it was Fokker VII, spad 13 and another two planes I dont remember, because I also bought some others. If you want, you can stay with four planes and will be totally competitive.
Creation of planes needs enormous effort and money, and somebody has to pay for it. It isnt like in il2´s days. The economy has changed a bit. And the complexity of planes just so.

Originally Posted by AKA_Tenn

i don't mind online activation, i do mind having a limit on the amount of activations i can do... i format my hard drive a lot, i'd hate to have to keep buying new copies just because i had to re-install my game a few times.

also i don't have a credit card, so having in-game items that require one to buy them would be bad.

generally games fail when you have to not only pay for them, but even after you pay for them you find out its not "really" free to play, you still gotta pay even more to actually be competitive (to actually play). the only in-game items that you should be able to purchace are ones that don't effect the gameplay and don't give anyone anywhere an advantage... like skins... or maybe a different reflector sight, that kinda thing... at least for online gameplay...

and the idea where u get a totally useless game for free, but u can pay for addons... just doesn't make sense for a combat flight sim u wanna be able to see all the glory right off the bat, not get shot down and lose all the time in some useless crappy assed plane... that'd make u not wanna buy the game, instead u'd never wanna look at it again.

maybe doing something like Aces high does... (or used to do) where u have a free 8 player game mode, and u can play offline, but u don't get the glory of playing with everyone in the big online campeign unless u pay for it. it would solve the problems for the few and far between people in the places so rural they don't have broadband internet, and also allow for something like a battle.net type lobby.(im talking more like the diablo 1 type battle.net, not the warcraft 3 type one)

[zauii]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

Personally I have bought every release of IL2 and I have spent a lot of time releasing skinpacks and missions just to show support. I would never have done any of this if the game was pay to play or required online activation. My gaming machine is not online. I dislike the new approach to DRM with a passion.

The only reason I do not own Rise of Flight is the insidious DRM it came out with required online activation to play offline. Apparently the next release of RoF will now allow an offline mode. I may actually consider getting the next release of RoF if the DRM issue has been resolved.

Edit:

Actually if a 4.10 IL2 DVD came out with no copy protection I would immediately buy it even though I already have the IL2 1946 DVD and can download patches for free


I would also add that there is a THIRD unscrupulous method used by online games such as Evony which is to make the games totally free but sell in-game advantages to people that pay which make the non-payers uncompetitive.

Well it's up to each and everyone, your loss to miss out on RoF or IL2 if you would've chosen to go down that road, can't say that i believe the developers care. If a DRM would stop you from buying a great title, that is kinda sad itself...
I presume if SOW comes out with online activation you're gonna skip it, even after waiting for years for the game? Even if its a great game itself a DRM will simply stop you?
That is kinda sad itself, but yet again who cares..you're the one missing out and the developers have made their call, live with it or don't buy it.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by zauii

Well it's up to each and everyone, your loss to miss out on RoF or IL2 if you would've chosen to go down that road, can't say that i believe the developers care. If a DRM would stop you from buying a great title, that is kinda sad itself...
I presume if SOW comes out with online activation you're gonna skip it, even after waiting for years for the game? Even if its a great game itself a DRM will simply stop you?
That is kinda sad itself, but yet again who cares..you're the one missing out and the developers have made their call, live with it or don't buy it.

haha you miss the point entirely

I am not throwing some big tantrum refusing to buy games with a DRM hoping the publishers take notice.

The DRM just makes those games too much hassle for me to actually play and so I don't bother.

This is particularly the case with something like a Flight Simulators where my main interest is creating historical skins, missions and possibly maps and aircraft. Flying I prefer to do real time.

In the end it is far easier to go and find a game with no DRM whatsoever ( "Sins of a Solar Empire" comes to mind with no copy protection but one of the biggest selling RTS of 2008/2009) and play that instead.

[Bobb4]

Who has said SOW will have an always on drm?
My understand of everything I have read is that the major DRM will be the DLC.
Has there been any official news otherwise?