Why I dislike IL-2 games..

[winny]

This always makes me smile..

LA-7 could out turn, out climb and was faster than the FW190 (which out classed all spitfires up till the IX).

Because it's largley overlooked in the west people assume that because it's Russian it can't be any good. For some reason most Russian technology seems to have an 'agricultural' feel when it comes to design but you can't tell how a plane will fly by just looking into it's cockpit..

The Yak-3 was also a very ggod dogfighter and was the subject of a luftwaffe warning to it's pilots not to engage in low level combat 'with Yakovlev fighters lacking an air cooler under the nose' (a reference to the Yak-1 which was slower and less agile).

Free french pilot Marcel Ablert (top french ace) Flew Dewotine d520's, Spitfires with 340 Sqn and Yak-3s in the USSR. He reckoned that the Yak-3 was superior to both the Spitfire and the P51-D.

The russians had their fair share of poor aircraft.. Like the LaGG-3 which was know as the (La)kirovanny (g)arantirovanny (g)rob or Varnished guaranteed coffin by VVS pilots.
But they also had a couple of really good aircraft.

The P-51 in game is broken, sadly.

[Robotic Pope]

I can sense a long post from Soviet Ace on its way. lol

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

I can sense a long post from Soviet Ace on its way. lol

Yup! Thats what i'm waiting for haha. He prob started writing the reply hours ago, he's still doing it now.

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

I can sense a long post from Soviet Ace on its way. lol

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

Yup! Thats what i'm waiting for haha. He prob started writing the reply hours ago, he's still doing it now.

Strong are these two... screw it, I'll just go on my rant now... saves time and stuff.

1. Both the Spitfire and P-51D could be out turned by a La-7. Reason behind that, is because of a little thing called wing loading and roll... that's why Russian planes have the guns in the nose; because when you load up your wings with guns and ammo, you're not going to be able to turn and roll as easy or as fast as a plane without guns and ammo in the wings.

2. The P-51D is only recognized as the WESTERN Power's best WW2 fighter, while the Yak-3 is recognized as Russia (Eastern) Power's best WW2 fighter. And like Winy said, German, Romanian, Hungarian, etc. pilots were told not to do combat against Yak-3s any lower than 5,000 feet or they'd be chewed up and spit out... which was said because of a little air battle that took place between 9 Yak-3s and 60 German planes (including some Ju-87s.) The ensuing fight ended up with only one Yak-3 being forced down because of engine problems, and twenty+ confirmed and more probables of German 109s, 190s, and all Ju-87s being downed. (You won't find any sort of situation like that on the Western Front.)

3. Considering that La's and Yak's were made out of light materials, and had somewhat loose fittings (for flexibility and stress factors) they could take more Gs at lower altitudes (which they're made to dogfight under, unlike the high altitude P-51, and medium-high altitude Spitfire.)

4. I'm not sure what you're settings are at, but unless it's something like Arcade, I'm not sure how you could be out turned by an Il-4 that would have to stall out and drop out of the sky, by doing too tight of a turn or doing combat with a fighter at all.

5. Russian planes are FAR superior, than any German, British, American, or Italian fighter planes at low altitudes. The Japanese, are the closest country during WW2 to get near how well the Russian planes were at maneuvering. And even by just looking at some of their planes, a Japanese Zero A6M2-21 or A6M3 could easily combat a Yak-3 in combat and probably take it out without much problem... except for the larger wings, those'd probably give the Zero some trouble... not much though.

6. HI GUYS!!!!

EDIT: Also, play some '46. The planes on there are highly accurate, and I've played countless times against Japanese planes in Russian planes. I usually break 50/50, so that should tell you something about Japanese planes, while other nation planes, I usually clobber them.

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

Strong are these two... screw it, I'll just go on my rant now... saves time and stuff.

1. Both the Spitfire and P-51D could be out turned by a La-7. Reason behind that, is because of a little thing called wing loading and roll... that's why Russian planes have the guns in the nose; because when you load up your wings with guns and ammo, you're not going to be able to turn and roll as easy or as fast as a plane without guns and ammo in the wings.

2. The P-51D is only recognized as the WESTERN Power's best WW2 fighter, while the Yak-3 is recognized as Russia (Eastern) Power's best WW2 fighter. And like Winy said, German, Romanian, Hungarian, etc. pilots were told not to do combat against Yak-3s any lower than 5,000 feet or they'd be chewed up and spit out... which was said because of a little air battle that took place between 9 Yak-3s and 60 German planes (including some Ju-87s.) The ensuing fight ended up with only one Yak-3 being forced down because of engine problems, and twenty+ confirmed and more probables of German 109s, 190s, and all Ju-87s being downed. (You won't find any sort of situation like that on the Western Front.)

3. Considering that La's and Yak's were made out of light materials, and had somewhat loose fittings (for flexibility and stress factors) they could take more Gs at lower altitudes (which they're made to dogfight under, unlike the high altitude P-51, and medium-high altitude Spitfire.)

4. I'm not sure what you're settings are at, but unless it's something like Arcade, I'm not sure how you could be out turned by an Il-4 that would have to stall out and drop out of the sky, by doing too tight of a turn or doing combat with a fighter at all.

5. Russian planes are FAR superior, than any German, British, American, or Italian fighter planes at low altitudes. The Japanese, are the closest country during WW2 to get near how well the Russian planes were at maneuvering. And even by just looking at some of their planes, a Japanese Zero A6M2-21 or A6M3 could easily combat a Yak-3 in combat and probably take it out without much problem... except for the larger wings, those'd probably give the Zero some trouble... not much though.

6. HI GUYS!!!!

EDIT: Also, play some '46. The planes on there are highly accurate, and I've played countless times against Japanese planes in Russian planes. I usually break 50/50, so that should tell you something about Japanese planes, while other nation planes, I usually clobber them.

And their you have it!!

1 - Agree
2 - Debatable (some argue for the P51 as the greatest fighter, others the Spit)

3 - Agree
4 - Definately agree
5 - Would be a nice fight to see, cant comment though because i have not flown a zero

6 - Alright mate!!

7 - Lagg, Yak, Shitfire, Zero, P-Shitty1, All inferior to the Hurricane.

8 - Maybe 7 is a lie.

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

And their you have it!!

1 - Agree
2 - Debatable (some argue for the P51 as the greatest fighter, others the Spit)

3 - Agree
4 - Definately agree
5 - Would be a nice fight to see, cant comment though because i have not flown a zero

6 - Alright mate!!

7 - Lagg, Yak, Shitfire, Zero, P-Shitty1, All inferior to the Hurricane.

8 - Maybe 7 is a lie.

You know, realistically, a Hawker Hurricane Mk II against a LaGG-3 Series 4 or Series 35, probably wouldn't be that bad of a match up. Both have obvious faults, that would be equal to each other, and their HP is about the same, along with some other things by just looking at their stats. So that would make for an interesting dogfight... I'll have to try that on '46 and see how the outcome is.

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

You know, realistically, a Hawker Hurricane Mk II against a LaGG-3 Series 4 or Series 35, probably wouldn't be that bad of a match up. Both have obvious faults, that would be equal to each other, and their HP is about the same, along with some other things by just looking at their stats. So that would make for an interesting dogfight... I'll have to try that on '46 and see how the outcome is.

Would be good one one of those "dogfight" kind of programmes.

Hurricane is a big target (for a fighter) and slower than most. But packs a punch, has a good turn radius.

LaGG is much the same, just a smaller target!!

Would like to see that fight!!

[PantherAttack2]

Originally Posted by winny

The russians had their fair share of poor aircraft.. Like the LaGG-3 which was know as the (La)kirovanny (g)arantirovanny (g)rob or Varnished guaranteed coffin by VVS pilots.

Really? I would have never have guessed.

In IL-2 1946 the LaGG-3 is one of my favorite aircraft.

[Balderz002]

It how things go. For another example, when Sony brought out Gran Turismo, the Jap cars were the best, and on Forza 3 from Microsoft, the best car (modded) is the Dodge Viper ACR.

Personally, I love flying the Hurricane, very manouvrable and very forgiving, and with 12 .303's, puts alot of lead in the air at once!

I also have a guilty pleasure of the MC.202, but sssshh, dont tell anyone!