PILOTS: LETS HEAR Ur STORIES AND THOUGHTS

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by Luftwaffe_Rommel

Rommel wans to hear ur opinion on the following topics

1) F the subs that cut off my supply line in the Africa corp [Rommel]. With out them subs British would have lost [Monty]

2) F who ever took the enigma from the Germans, why don't u make ur own decoding machines.

3) Do Germans Pilots had any honor what so ever, we were just following orders from the high rank. We only bombed cities full of people just like Lancasters did in "Dresden"

4) My friend thunder1200 wants to know what happen to the ju 88 in this game

5) We is the no Lancasters to shoot at in IL2 Sturmovik BOP

6) "Is IL 2 Sturmovik: Rise of the sun fighters" coming up any time soon. Rommel would like to sit behind a Seke and shoot at F4Fs. Capture the Carrier, Strike Pearl Harbor and Tokio [Doolittle raid]. I miss old lady B-25 Mitchell, I want to see Kate and Val. And what about Mr. Super fortress.

7) Discuss peacefully, use F SOB S initials, not written out. The discussion is Ironic, Funny [who knows], dry sense of humor. I don't what to start WW IV [WW III sounds odd]. Topics are not intended to be insultive, if u find them so, reply to take them off [wich number].

Enjoy!

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1) We'll never know, but if you had subs... then it would be obvious to use them

2) Our own decoding wouldnt work decoding your enigma unless we had it. Hence the reason we "borrowed" one from your lovely Uboats

3) This could get me flamed but i'll say it anyway.. The Lufwaffe bombed us first, look at coventry. We (Bomber Command) just had bigger planes and did a better job of it! Like it or lump it, its the truth. Though remember, the crews didnt want to do this, it was orders from the top.

4) No idea what happened to it. Alot of things are missing.

5) Playing online in daytime settings the lanc would be to easy to shoot down. It was a night time bomber, much harder to destroy then

6) No idea. Time will tell.

7) Eh?

[Lost Apiarist]

Ahhh revisionist historical debates I love em

1. Even that point is debatable. Even without the subs I don't think the Germans could have held them off indefinately, drag the conflict out at a much higher cost definately. The rest of the worlds resources were just too great, the end result was inevitable.

2. All is fair in love and war. Too bad the Axis couldn't steal a Navajo

3. The allies hands were just as dirty if not dirtier in being responsible for countless civilian deaths as a result of indiscriminate bombing.

4. and 5. Can't put everything in a game/simulation that would be..........real life ??

6. I sure hope that comes out soon for consoles!! Too fun, can't imagine it is anytime in the near future though. Would mean I wasn't the Greenest pilot in the skies!!

7. Ok

[Luftwaffe_Rommel]

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

1) We'll never know, but if you had subs... then it would be obvious to use them

2) Our own decoding wouldnt work decoding your enigma unless we had it. Hence the reason we "borrowed" one from your lovely Uboats

3) This could get me flamed but i'll say it anyway.. The Lufwaffe bombed us first, look at coventry. We (Bomber Command) just had bigger planes and did a better job of it! Like it or lump it, its the truth. Though remember, the crews didnt want to do this, it was orders from the top.

4) No idea what happened to it. Alot of things are missing.

5) Playing online in daytime settings the lanc would be to easy to shoot down. It was a night time bomber, much harder to destroy then

6) No idea. Time will tell.

7) Eh?

This was more like what I expected to hear, from the discussion. Thank you my friend

[Luftwaffe_Rommel]

In life there are many dilemas and it all depend on how u see them and on which side u are on.

For instance WW II what I like about it, what I have about it.

LIKE:
I like how people fought together for a noble cause, I thing WWII was the only justified war [that I know so far] in history. The reason I thing this is because in was just simply a battle between good and evil, Freedom and opression. The Nazis and Allies [But not all germans were Nazis, some just follow orders]. all the other wars have been caused for the wrong reasons, at least thats how i see them: WW I [a murder], Crusades [religion; who knows which is the right one], Cold War [a race between super powers].

I also like how much mankind came up with such technological acheivements
The aircraft: magnificent machines [look at them fly, but do not thing about the human loses, just look at them flying in the sky], the rocket [great power, will later be used for something good rather than warfare; the space rocket, the moon landing], the Me262 [ the first jet what will later be studied to provide a new transportation vehicle].

Dramatic scenes: A brotherhood that bond people together no matter if they were from different countries; the allies French, British, and Americans working together.
WHAT I HATE:
The holocaust, people dying, the atom bomb, the bombing of london [unjustified civilian districts], the bombing of Dresden [unjustified civilian bombing in Germany], Japanese actions at nanking. esentially every side of WWII had its obscure moment, though one side more than the other but still both.
Why I like IL2 sturmovik Birds of prey: Well I only get to experience the parts a like about World War II and the ones I don't like I save to myself.

U may agree on some of what I had said, you most likely will not, which is good. In human nature, we have to always find two sides to the coin, a good one and a bad one. But at the end I think is not evil or good, Its what you like the most. An example

IN an american history class George the III was a tyran who ruled the american colonies harshly. In another History class from different perpective, King George was a good king to England, he even work along his people [a thing a king was just not able to do]. What I'm trying to proof I guess is that The two side can be both right and wrong, but at the end its just what u like best.

[BRIGGBOY]

so you think the invasion of poland was justified.

[Luftwaffe_Rommel]

Originally Posted by BRIGGBOY

so you think the invasion of poland was justified.

The invasion of Poland was not justified, an invasion is never justied, A defense is. In this battle I throw my support to the Polish army ridding in horses "what a brave group of people" to face heavely armored Panzers.

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by Luftwaffe_Rommel

The invasion of Poland was not justified, an invasion is never justied, A defense is. In this battle I throw my support to the Polish army ridding in horses "what a brave group of people" to face heavely armored Panzers.

I dunno, some invasions are justified. Like the invasion of France by the Allies in '44, and the Invasion of Italy in '43 and finally the Invasion of Germany in '44-'45 by the Soviet Union. Sure, they could have just kicked Germany off their land, but whatever.

[Luftwaffe_Rommel]

I do not justified any german attacks, I only like the planes, thanks, battleships [Geramans always make good stuff; take a look at their cars]

The only thing I blame on the allies is the bombing of Dresden. Dresden was more like an eye for an eye campaing on the Germans. Which bring me to my next point. I do not justified the bombing of london either. This is just a guy who likes to watch big explosions and that's all. Who doesn't find fireworks interesting and enjoyable. Going back to bombing, I only justified it in the game.

[Soviet Ace]

I think the Italian Campaigns in Africa were/are pretty interesting (What's cooler than MC.200, Fiat G.50s, and other early Italian fighters going up against Gladiators and Hurricanes?) Not much is known about them, and the whole Italian fight, but it's pretty interesting none the less. I'm sure people have heard of the Battle of Taranto where British Swordfish destroyed a good portion of the Italian Navy in the harbor, but hardly anyone I'm sure in the Western World (Britain, US, Germany, and France excluding Italy of course,) have heard of the other minor victory at Cape Matapan.

And I'm sure that hardly anyone knew that during the Battle of Britain, that there were actually Italian Fiat CR.42 Biplanes fighting over the channel (not many, but there was. And flown by Italians, not Germans.) Same goes for the Eastern Front. There were Italian units stationed on the Eastern Front fighting against the Soviet Union. (Ground troops, I'm not sure of Air units.) Plus, there were Italian units (ground/air) fighting in the Balkan States too.