Patch 4.10 - Development Updates by Daidalos Team

[Sita]

"We are entering the beta phase of the 4.10 patch, so we will reduce the quantity of development updates and focus on the testing of the patch."

We understand
but your updates are similar to a drug !!!

[MikkOwl]

Ah yes, I was certain there would be delays (history is often an indicator of the future, after all ). The large amounts of great things to come in 4.10 is bitter sweet: the awesome parts are, well, awesome, but it makes the wait more of a tease than if it was a minor patch.

Only yesterday did I see the update about radio navigation and major upgrades to cockpit instruments regarding navigation. I found the 500mb version video showcasing those functions too. This is the most exciting thing to come, with the new chassi stress and individual propeller pitch on axis (aaand radiator on a single axis).

Navigation improvements will make it both easier yet more complicated to navigate on full realism settings. Since most flying, even online, is not being engaged in combat but just getting from A to B, this should make those journeys so much more interesting. Interesting to learn that the German heavy fighters actually get a radio compass with moving AF Antenna (not sure where that antenna is located on the aircraft) which the single engined fighters have to do without.

[76.IAP-Blackbird]

A delay .. who cares .. quality need it`s time.. and those pics are damn great.. never expectect
TD to appear and give il2 new life.. so do what you want and how long you want just keep it coming !

Thank you very much!!!!!

[Viikate]

Originally Posted by MikkOwl

Interesting to learn that the German heavy fighters actually get a radio compass with moving AF Antenna (not sure where that antenna is located on the aircraft) which the single engined fighters have to do without.

Well the antenna movement isn't animated. Probably not worth the effort.

Bf-110 has a rotating D/F-loop at the bottom of fuselage behind the wings



In early variants, the loop antenna had to be manually rotated with this thing:

I recall that Ju-52 and other older twin engine planes had also manually rotated D/F-loops.

Later Bf-110 G-2 what we have already flyable has automatically rotating antenna and even later G-4 has this replaced by iron ferrite coil which is inside the fuselage like in Ju-88.

Many allied bombers have rotating D/F-loop inside a teardrop shaped cover. Check for example B-25s in game.

Some smaller planes have fixed small iron ferrite coils which work like loop antenna. Almost all LW late war single engined planes have either small fixed loop or ferrite coil. The idea of D/F-loop antenna is that when is facing directly towards (or away) from the radiating source like NDB, the induced current going through the antenna is zero.


So instead of rotating the antenna itself, plane must turn directly towards/away from beacon and then AFN gauge shows no deviation (needle centered). Getting a triangulated position from two beacons requires more effort with fixed antenna.

[TheGrunch]

I think it's good that there's a delay, because between this and the Mount&Blade Warband addon, I would probably have had a heart-attack.

[Insuber]

DT's,

Take your time guys, all your great work is a real gift to the community !

But don't forget the heavy MG issue (SAFAT 12.7 and others ...)

Insuber

[MikkOwl]

Thanks for the excellent information (even illustrated with pictures). So that's what the round coil below the fuselage is for - believe it or not but I have been trying to find that out through google for about two months (every week or two I'd go hunting). At first I thought maybe it was ordnance related, but later realized it could not be that.

I did not expect the model itself to be animated I meant that I never realized there were directional antennas & how radio compasses work, and was surprised to find out that the Bf 110 was 'getting it' (full radio compass) while all the other fighters don't. Would be nice to be able to have it shot off or damaged, it would make navigation a bit more challenging unexpectedly. But that is unlikely as well.

One thing is unclear to me - while I understand the reason, the usefulness of being able to have the antenna turn and the way that antennas transmit differently depending on angle to source - how does the 'auto' G-2 antenna work compared to the manually turned? Do we use buttons to electrically move it, and it then automatically turns itself when the aircraft turns, or does it home in on the strongest signal, or on a selected frequency-signal? Or does it actually keep spinning around at a set rate and some kind of electronics make the radio compass point to the strongest signal in the frqeuency?

[Viikate]

Automatically motor driven loop will try to turn and stay at the direction which gives null signal or no signal. Operator would tune the receiver to the frequency of certain beacon, but we have simplified this and selection is based on beacon ID.

I'm pretty sure that all war time automatic D/F-equipment had a manual mode too because of meaconing. Meaconing will get the automatic mode confused. But we haven't planned any manual mode even simple meaconing is possible now.

Google is your friend:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_direction_finder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direction_finding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_navigation

And the most epic navigation document ever which makes you appreciate the Art of Navigation.
http://aafcollection.info/items/docu...0198-01-00.pdf

[MikkOwl]

Originally Posted by Viikate

Automatically motor driven loop will try to turn and stay at the direction which gives null signal or no signal. Operator would tune the receiver to the frequency of certain beacon, but we have simplified this and selection is based on beacon ID.

I'm pretty sure that all war time automatic D/F-equipment had a manual mode too because of meaconing. Meaconing will get the automatic mode confused. But we haven't planned any manual mode even simple meaconing is possible now.

Google is your friend:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_direction_finder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direction_finding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_navigation

And the most epic navigation document ever which makes you appreciate the Art of Navigation.
http://aafcollection.info/items/docu...0198-01-00.pdf

Understood. Thanks again for the additional links and information The last link is a forbidden hotlink, but I'll dig it up (and other things) from the website it resides on.

The AF Loop antenna would still have to deal with figuring out which 180 degree direction is the actual heading of the beacon, but I read on wiki just now that modern systems have an auxilliary "sense antenna" to solve that problem. Navigation in those auto AF planes must be a lot more convenient than flying the fighters for sure.. The 110 seems to be stuffed with various navigational aids, with redundant functions if any other fails. But there's never been any use of either of these things until TD and 4.10. Going to be fun exploring a whole new side (area) of the airplane (instrument panel).

There's a few more strange antennas sticking out from the 110 G-2, and I have been unable to identify any of them. Maybe the manuals I found today from WW2 will shed light on that. One of them is bound to be the sense antenna.

[Azimech]

Originally Posted by Viikate

And the most epic navigation document ever which makes you appreciate the Art of Navigation.
http://aafcollection.info/items/docu...0198-01-00.pdf

What a great site! This gives me many hours of fun! Especially the calendar with pin-ups XD