Here it is... the Teana Open!

[Lord Ludwig]

Well, considering bloody pentagram + taunting (if scoffer imp appears) or cerberus (indeed the bad dog falls inside the leadership of "summon demons" for a single demon) + domination it really seems I have to reverse my judgment and make it a 3-1 for the demon instead of a 3-1 for the repair droid. A pity really; I am quite fond of the little buggers, and (unless I am mistaken again) they would have been able to kill at least 2 out of 11 lvl 5 units. The giant doesn't stand a chance, so does the troll - by day, of course - and on a very large map the ogre would go down to the repair droid as well.

All right, so in a little time - if nothing new arises - I will proceed to round 3 with two retcons, the "resurrection" of the royal thorn and the demon.

[TemjinGold]

Only thing to be wary of is the fact that you can't control the units that the demon summons...

[Lord Ludwig]

Originally Posted by TemjinGold

Only thing to be wary of is the fact that you can't control the units that the demon summons...

Well I guess it's in the spirit of this, let's call it "thought experiment", that every unit plays with perfect strategy rather than with so-so AI. Thus I don't think this really matters.

OK there have been no further arguments in favor of the repair droid and the vampire, so here is round 3 with the two retcons.

Black Dragon (1) 3
Assassin (32) 0

Ent (17) 3
Alchemist (16) 1

Ancient Ent (9) 3
Archmage (24) 0

Shaman (25) 0
Bone Dragon (8 ) 3


Giant (5) 0
Ancient Vampire (28 ) 3

Cannoneer (21) 0
Royal Thorn 3

Executioner (13) 3
Chosha (20) 1

Knight (29) 0
Green Dragon (4) 3



Red Dragon (3) 3
Polar Bear 0

Paladin (19) 0
Royal Griffin (14) 3

Ogre (11) 3
Demonologist (22) 0

Evil Beholder (27) 0
Archdemon (6) 3


Cyclops (7) 3
Horseman (26) 0

Necromancer (23) 0
Troll (10) 3

Demon (15) 3
Brontor (18 ) 2

Black Knight (31) 0
T-Rex (2) 3

I am quite uncertain about the demon vs brontor match. Originally I thought the repair droid was going to fight the brontor (and I was not very sure about the result of that match either). Now the demon has more health and does more damage, plus summon and hex. The brontor probably will do well to dig in and count on spikes. A close victory for the demon?

Two other matches are a bit uncertain. I think the executioner beats the chosha, who can breed gobots frequently, but in a number too shallow to turn the tide, at least so I think. As for the ent vs alchemist match I think the overall better stats of the ent and its poison resistance outweigh its vulnerability to the single fire attack of the alchemist.

So we have a result against the seeding, but the biggest surprise comes in a 3-0 form. Unless I overlooked something, higher speed, higher initiative and invulnerability to earthquake in bat form make the ancient vampire an impossible opponent to beat for the giant.

[TemjinGold]

Against the executioner, the chosha is actually better off NOT breeding gobots as the extra puny attacks simply serve to give the executioner more turns!

[Zechnophobe]

The Gobots are very high initiative, so should never trigger the Executioners ability. And in fact, the upgraded ones will cause poison damage, so I think it is completely worth it for the chosha to do it. Both units are immune to mind effecting spells so the fear from the Executioner will not help.

Actually that brings up a good question. Does the executioner win if the Chosha dies, but the gobots kill him? Because the executioner would be completely unable to kill gobots, especially in multiple stacks.

[Lord Ludwig]

Originally Posted by Zechnophobe

Actually that brings up a good question. Does the executioner win if the Chosha dies, but the gobots kill him? Because the executioner would be completely unable to kill gobots, especially in multiple stacks.

Very good point, it seems some deeper calculations are in order here. I asked myself what should happen in a situation like the one you describe, with only summoned units surviving, but thought it wasn't happening in any fight. Now if the situation was "real" we should have either both "teams" out, or the gobots advancing instead of the chosha, but I think in the spirit of the game the chosha would, so to say, be raised to live and fight another day (only one, because anyway there's a green dragon hanging above his future).

[TemjinGold]

I think the fairest way is to ask what happens when you win in the game with only summoned units left in your army. Does the game consider this a "win" for Amelie or are you summoned to King Frederick? I've never had this happen to me so I honestly don't know...