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[stealth finger]

Originally Posted by PantherAttack2

What stealth finger is saying is that almost nobody knows who Oleg Maddox is (relative to the rest of the world) or even cares who he is. You can compare anything to anything. I can compare the pencil that's a few inches away from my keyboard to a bowling ball.

Exactly this. I never said people haven't heard of il2. They have but have no idea about the people who make it.

You can take the example from anywhere. Most gamers dont know about the differences between the original fallout games on pc and the new one on consoles. They where made by completely different companies in different ends of the spectrum genre and are rightly compared. Some can't stand the new style and consider it an insult to the fallout name, some cant stand the old style or never played it, some appreciate both and don'y know what all the fuss is about,

[PantherAttack2]

Originally Posted by stealth finger

Most gamers dont know about the differences between the original fallout games on pc and the new one on consoles. They where made by completely different companies in different ends of the spectrum genre and are rightly compared. Some can't stand the new style and consider it an insult to the fallout name, some cant stand the old style or never played it, some appreciate both and don'y know what all the fuss is about,

That's a perfect example. I for one appreciate both, but that's another story.

Fallout 3 and Fallout 2 are very different games. But they still have the same theme and general setting. The same applies for IL-2 1946 and IL-2 BoP. Both are aerial combat games set in Europe during World War II. Just like Fallout 2 and Fallout 3 are both role-playing-games set in a post-apocalyptic United States.

[winny]

To say that you can't compare 2 games that share the same name, forum and genre is wrong.

You can have different expectations across platfoms. Even then you'll still be able to make comparisons.

Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk

I won't dwell on my many disappointments in this title & will not compare it to its PC counterpart (although why I feel I shouldn't is perhaps strange as for one, it is a title that shares the esteemed name to an untouchable pc combat sim & so why shouldn't it be compared, & another; its pre-build up was to always maintain its realism & immersion that I personally believe, falls way short of even Over G Fighters).

This is mirrored a treat in IL-2 also. Wanna take off & land in PC IL-2; fine. Don't wanna bother but instead set up a quick training type battle in just a few clicks that gives you the choice of multiple wingmen, fellow bombers & such against a multitude of enemies in mixed aircraft, fine also. How about a more detailed tool to create an entire mission? ...go for it, it's all there & the best thing. You only ever needed around 4 or 5 keyboard inputs to create all of this. You telling me that todays consoles cannot harbour this ability to give a console gamer this option when say the original xbox proved otherwise with op flashpoint 1 & even Far Cry?

[juz1]

What do you mean *insert console version of sim game here* is anything like *insert PC version of sim game here*?

The console game is just a top down, pub coin op clone and the PC game is the second coming of Christ (who looks Russian, I swear!).

I'm not discussing this with people that generalise numerical data...

You all massively need to know I'm off to self-aggrandise with a Perry Como tribute Sciffle/Ragga 4 piece synth progressive-rock outfit, I'm on wagon wheels me!



Who needs screaming modern warfail teens when there's such wonderful pomposity to be had here ...

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to pointlessly let you know I'm off to count the bloated,undigested sultanas in my daughters nappy....hey look, 5 this morning!

[PantherAttack2]

Originally Posted by juz1

What do you mean *insert console version of sim game here* is anything like *insert PC version of sim game here*?

The console game is just a top down, pub coin op clone and the PC game is the second coming of Christ (who looks Russian, I swear!).

I'm not discussing this with people that generalise numerical data...

You all massively need to know I'm off to self-aggrandise with a Perry Como tribute Sciffle/Ragga 4 piece synth progressive-rock outfit, I'm on wagon wheels me!



Who needs screaming modern warfail teens when there's such wonderful pomposity to be had here ...

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to pointlessly let you know I'm off to count the bloated,undigested sultanas in my daughters nappy....hey look, 5 this morning!

Are you drunk or something? I didn't understand any of that. Honestly.

[zg26]

My original point is that Il2 BOP has sullied the Il2 brand. I never directly compared the games. The reason I had such high hopes for BOP (and indeed bought it without even considering 'Heroes over Europe') was because of the reputation of the Il-2 series. Now because I feel I've been let down by BOP it reflects on the whole brand. They can't have it both ways and trade on their brand for sales (as in " Famous title comes to consoles") and then say oh no thats nothing to do with their brand when it turns out to be a turd.

Why do you think Cadbury have trademarked their color of purple for chocolate packaging? Why do Walt Disney suits scour the world looking for unlicensed images of mickey mouse in kids playgrounds?

[draux]

Whats with all the pompous PC gamers all of a sudden? You guys just here to pour salt in our wounds or what? The forum for the version that has turning wheels is just one down from this one. You might find more people that care there.

[imnotgeoff]

hopefully the door will hit you on the way out

[juz1]

Originally Posted by zg26

my original point is that il2 bop has sullied the il2 brand. I never directly compared the games. The reason i had such high hopes for bop (and indeed bought it without even considering 'heroes over europe') was because of the reputation of the il-2 series. Now because i feel i've been let down by bop it reflects on the whole brand. They can't have it both ways and trade on their brand for sales (as in " famous title comes to consoles") and then say oh no thats nothing to do with their brand when it turns out to be a turd.

Why do you think cadbury have trademarked their color of purple for chocolate packaging? Why do walt disney suits scour the world looking for unlicensed images of mickey mouse in kids playgrounds?

qft!

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by zg26

My original point is that Il2 BOP has sullied the Il2 brand. I never directly compared the games. The reason I had such high hopes for BOP (and indeed bought it without even considering 'Heroes over Europe') was because of the reputation of the Il-2 series. Now because I feel I've been let down by BOP it reflects on the whole brand. They can't have it both ways and trade on their brand for sales (as in " Famous title comes to consoles") and then say oh no thats nothing to do with their brand when it turns out to be a turd.

Why do you think Cadbury have trademarked their color of purple for chocolate packaging? Why do Walt Disney suits scour the world looking for unlicensed images of mickey mouse in kids playgrounds?

I think you are forgeting that it is the Publisher 505 games that has caused this by not allowing the devs to continue to work on improving the game. BoP is a solid game that could have been added to and improved ten fold if the devs were given the green light. Sadly on console every update costs money and 505 are cheap arses. As Houndstone has shown us in videos the PC version of BoP is being updated and improved very regularly to become an exellent game just like the original IL-2 on PC. This proves BoP is not a "turd" and did not sully the brand, 505 did that by themselves.

Can you imagine how bad the original IL-2 Stumovik on PC would have looked if it was never once updated from the original code? And the brand certainly wouldn't have become what it is today.

Now its silly to say Il-2 1946 and BoP can't be compared because you can compare anything you lke together. Let me compare the two quickly how I see it.

1946 - A far more technical experierence and a lot more in depth, a true simulator for enthusiasts that has been constantly worked on and improved by many, many dedicated people.

BoP/WoP - A more bare bones title but still one that is very enjoyable for most people thanks to different skill modes. disposes of more technical things like engine management in favour of a more cinematic aproch than 1946 and has excelent graphics being a much newer game. Like any new game BoP had bugs, these unfortunatly were unable to be fixed. But with continued support WoP on PC has fixed this and also has the posibilty of adding to this some aspects of 1946 if that is what people want or more of the same.


SoW - What the hell i'm comparing this too seeing my bringing it up started all this SoW at first will be like a brand new version of the original IL-2 which means it will be nothing like as big as 1946. But the basic bones of the Sim will be made of pure gold which will last for many years, over which time the game will flesh out and grow and grow untill it is a massive golden giant of epicness