"Battle for Europe" Competition (PS3 SIM Players) "Year: 1946"

[kozzm0]

This is what I expected, as team USSR was on continuously from 6pm to 1am gmt on wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday, and sunday - 5 days in a row - and not once did team UK accept a match, even during the rare times when enough of them including an officer were online.

There's a word in war for refusing to fight: surrender. Even in a game, it's still called quitting. Team USSR showed up to fight and team UK did not, and that's victory by forfeit.

Thanks team VVS for all the hard work and tactical preparation. You all were amazingly motivated.

Now for a competition that will work. I'm partial to a ladder-type system with 3 or 4 player teams.

[P-51]

Originally Posted by kozzm0

This is what I expected, as team USSR was on continuously from 6pm to 1am gmt on wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday, and sunday - 5 days in a row - and not once did team UK accept a match, even during the rare times when enough of them including an officer were online.

There's a word in war for refusing to fight: surrender. Even in a game, it's still called quitting. Team USSR showed up to fight and team UK did not, and that's victory by forfeit.

Thanks team VVS for all the hard work and tactical preparation. You all were amazingly motivated.

Now for a competition that will work. I'm partial to a ladder-type system with 3 or 4 player teams.

Want help to set it up?
To be honest i think that this failed because there were no set times for battles meaning people were to laid back.. If only that could be changed!

[Spitfire23]

Originally Posted by P-51

Want help to set it up?
To be honest i think that this failed because there were no set times for battles meaning people were to laid back.. If only that could be changed!

Yup, thats exactly what killed it

[InfiniteStates]

Originally Posted by P-51

To be honest i think that this failed because there were no set times for battles meaning people were to laid back.. If only that could be changed!

Kudos to Edal for trying this...but I think it's failing was the game's inherent unbalance towards Russian planes. At the start there were a lot of matches going on, but I think the UK players, whether they realised it or not, just got fed up of being owned by superior LAs. And of course newer game releases give the perfect excuse.

Just my $0.02, to help any future tourneys avoid a similar fate...

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

Originally Posted by InfiniteStates

Kudos to Edal for trying this...but I think it's failing was the game's inherent unbalance towards Russian planes. At the start there were a lot of matches going on, but I think the UK players, whether they realised it or not, just got fed up of being owned by superior LAs. And of course newer game releases give the perfect excuse.

Just my $0.02, to help any future tourneys avoid a similar fate...

If the LA is superior why was the Ace of Aces final two Spitfires?

[STINGERSIX78]

+1

and the uk-team had a biiiig advantage on cta with their p47.
they won the airsuperiority over italy with their spits too...

[InfiniteStates]

Originally Posted by Zatoichi_Sanjuro

If the LA is superior why was the Ace of Aces final two Spitfires?

Mirgervin used an LA5 (I think - could have been a 7) all the way up to the semi-finals. And pretty much every match I played was against an LA. Spitfire vs LA is manageable, just, in 1v1, but when it's more, the Spits get owned.

You give me another reason why the UK team enthusiasm dropped off so sharply while there were so many USSR players always wiling to play?

[kozzm0]

You guys won the air superiority mode the first week, not exactly getting owned there

Where the spitfire didn't work was in airfields - but the p47 was completely unstoppable in that mode. Hurricanes would have worked better also.

The main difference in airfields was we spent quite a bit of time preparing, making sure everyone could land la7's, memorizing the runways and obstacles on the stalingrad airfields.

That was why team UK lost morale mainly, I think. Once team USSR had the b-17, maybe it seemed hopeless. Involving the b-17 ended up ruining the whole thing.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

Originally Posted by InfiniteStates

Mirgervin used an LA5 (I think - could have been a 7) all the way up to the semi-finals. And pretty much every match I played was against an LA. Spitfire vs LA is manageable, just, in 1v1, but when it's more, the Spits get owned.

You give me another reason why the UK team enthusiasm dropped off so sharply while there were so many USSR players always wiling to play?

Mirgervin could have chosen to fly the LA5 in the final, and if it's so superior, as you claim, he would have. The fact is, what little turn advantage the LA has is neutralised by the Spits firepower.

All the USSR players would have flown Spits or even Hurricanes if they had to, just to get a game. The UK team didn't want to play from the beginning and that showed by the fact there were only one or two on regularly, excluding Edal, right from the start.

[kozzm0]

This thread is kind of beating a dead horse at this point, time to move on

Check the "ladder discussion" thread, I've written a prototype ruleset, about 1 page, based on what has been suggested so far, check it out and post comments, suggestions for additions/subtractions, and so forth.

Starting the formation of teams now would help get the rules done. Teams of 3 or 4, the only restriction being possibly no two team members ranked top 8 in the same leaderboard mode, for balance