Magely advice requested.

[evilbob]

Originally Posted by MaroonMaurader

My first advice would be to kite maps until you get to wherever they are. If you don't want to do that for whatever reason, here's a fallback:

Well, it's not that i don't want to kite rather, these longer narrower strips to kite them away to ninja the nav seem rather impossible. But i shall attempt your suggestion. I suppose if all else fails i'll create a new one, data mine the save to see where phantom and trap are then try again. Although i do not look forward to another 100 trap kills.

[Petwin]

When I'm finished with my No loss impossible mage game, I will post my walkthrough. The first 2 tips:

1) Start 10 games and save them before talking to Amelie’s father. Use KBScanner to find a game with the spell Trap in Debir. Also nice to find on Debir, Scarlet, Bolo, Rusty Anchor or Verona (in shops, not in castles): Trap (the artefact), Skull of Pain, Well of mana, Shield of Rekross, Ancient Amulet, Gladiator Sword, Banner of True Faith (last 3 for rune farming), Dragon (any colour), Troll, Ogre, Demonologist, Shaman, Druid, Ancient Vampire and Black Knight.

2) After choosing, also check where you can find the scrolls Phantom, Sacrifice, Resurrection, Turn Back Time, Fear, Necro Call, Geyser, Eviln, Death Star and Armageddon

[evilbob]

Wow, that is a lot of stuff to look for. I've just been looking for units and spells and that's been quite annoying enough. As for the rune farming..out of luck on 2/3 of those.

Seems getting this combination of stuff all in the same game is an impossibly difficulty in and of itself

[Petwin]

You don't have to check for all of those things. Only if your a bean counter from Nerdville. Bu I have to admit, I checked 30 save files.

I never found all the items in 1 game. 2 out of 3 rune farming items on the first 5 islands is possible. My current game is without Well of mana or the Shield of Rekross, and the Gladiator Sword is far away in Reha.

The list of units is also not compulsory: it speeds things along to have strong units early on, but you don't need all of them. Heck, you probably do fine without any of them.

Knowing the scroll locations are just convenient. I find finding Phantom, Sacrifice and Turn Back Time near the end of the game very unconvenient

[travelingoz]

It doesn't have to be that tedious! If you look in the KBScanner files, you'll see two examples of .flt files you can use to generate a separate list.
For example inside my mage list are;

Slippery Cuirass
Gladiator Sword
Ancient Amulet
Novice's Dress
Usurer's Ring
Ring of Mind. Class 2.
Snake Ring
Novice's Staff
Magician's Cowl
Scroll Turn Back Time
"Well of Mana" Belt
Twinkling Boots
Scaly Bracelet
Scale Armor
Scale Shield
Traveler's Staff

You can use Worpad to generate the file and cut and paste the item names from the Artifacts.rpt file that you are looking for. (syntax and case ARE important!)
Save it with the .flt extension eg. mageneed.flt and place it in your KBAP sessions/addons file. After you scan, you should have 2 .rpt files generated. Easy as that!

[GodClone]

I know that minmaxing is fun, but you guys are to much . Getting an achievement out of the game is kinda diminished if you "cheat" your way to it . Well i don't consider it cheating, but using mods to check items ahead or 1000 restarts for convenience etc . while getting you there , it won't make you a better player .

Play the hand you are dealt and make the most of it . Being able to achieve "your" goal with any start is of more value , than being 1 step from editing the game for a perfect start . Wouldn't you agree ? .

[Petwin]

No, I don't agree. Trying to get the best starting point is in my opinion not a covert way of cheating.

The whole point of all games and most sports is to achieve something within the boundaries of a fixed set of rules. Preparing yourself, training, studying, buying better equipment, tuning your bicycle of waxing your snowboard can be part of the experience, should you choose to.

Cheating is stepping outside the set of rules.

I personally find as much joy in preparing and anticipating before I start a (proper) game as I do in actually playing it. There's always the risk that I put so much time and effort in the preparations and test runs that I never get to the end of a game. In my 25 years of gaming (yep, I'm an old fart! ) I probably left scores of games unfinished. I don't think that makes me bad player. I enjoy myself doing what I do, that's good enough for me.

[Arilian]

Yes, but after you finished the game you might want to try some specifically.
It is also pretty stupid when you play the demo as i did and awe at the new death star spell, how cool is it then never encounter it in the game and used the same splls as in KBTL.