Friday 2009-12-04 Screenshots Update discussion thread

[MD_Wild_Weasel]

Originally Posted by Insuber

I like the semi transparent instruments, they would be great ! Good point nearmiss.

Insuber

personaly i dont like any of the "wonder woman cockpits". I would say if you want these views then switch to the ps3 and play the arcade version of il2"birds of prey" (is that what its called?)

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by MD_Wild_Weasel

personaly i dont like any of the "wonder woman cockpits". I would say if you want these views then switch to the ps3 and play the arcade version of il2"birds of prey" (is that what its called?)

We make hard core sim in terms of control and FM, however we need to invite also these, who never played sims and for them using just cockpit gauges without external views and simplified control would be very hard. Such settting are controlable from a server, so I don't see any problem that we have everything in one. Say almost everything neccessary for the novices in fligth sims.

The difference to arcade game is that with our sim you may learn from arcade to realistic step by step, and these settings from arcade to realistic are not "arcadeish ultrarealistic settings"

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by MD_Wild_Weasel

personaly i dont like any of the "wonder woman cockpits". I would say if you want these views then switch to the ps3 and play the arcade version of il2"birds of prey" (is that what its called?)

Thank you for your nice and constructive answer, we really needed open minded and tolerant people in this forum.

Have a nice day,
Insuber

[MD_Wild_Weasel]

Sorry my post wasnt meant to offend. To me , and if you read my post carefully it did say"personal opinion" that it seems such a waste of fantastic quality cockpits.

I think maybe a chill pill may be required.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Still, Weasel, the thing is: you'll still be able to fly without "Wonder Woman view".

People aren't really thinking of business here: the more options, the better (for the game and for sales). It was the same on that dicussion about pilot in-cockpit (I know it won't happen, but it can be used to demonstrate the ideology): if you can make two options to please two different groups, do it. Just because it doesn't please YOU it doesn't mean that the idea is stupid and useless. Someone will use it (otherwise they wouldn't be requesting and discussing the subject).

[MD_Wild_Weasel]

Woah , easy tigers . I think that people are blowing my post out of proportion here. The term "wonder woman cockpit" is well known across the community . Maybe the term"fischer price cockpit" may of offended less. I for one know that il2 caters for many people at many levels. I do not believe it should be abolished and as Oleg said it should b used as a stepping stone to access the other settings of the sim. I have my opinions same as the next man. But i do not deserve flaming for an opinion i have been asked to give.

[ECV56_Lancelot]

Originally Posted by MD_Wild_Weasel

Woah , easy tigers . I think that people are blowing my post out of proportion here. The term "wonder woman cockpit" is well known across the community . Maybe the term"fischer price cockpit" may of offended less. I for one know that il2 caters for many people at many levels. I do not believe it should be abolished and as Oleg said it should b used as a stepping stone to access the other settings of the sim. I have my opinions same as the next man. But i do not deserve flaming for an opinion i have been asked to give.

Don´t worry Weasel, with the exception of Insuber post, i think nobody was flaming you.
I don´t like wonder woman cockpits either, but as Lucas... wrote, if its an option to use it, it can´t hurt, and maybe its not something that take lot of resources and time to implement, like it is with the virtual pilot in cockpits.

[hiro]

Whoa, A hurricane!!


Yeah!! Jeyeah!


Thanks for the updates, they are getting uber and Über !


I like whats coming along and the ships are well done. Even the sinking ship . . . people were waiting on the combat footage.

Given that the release will be better . . .


In regarding the cockpits, I like full cockpits better, in wonderwoman view I tend to crash while ground attack or landing, or take off, I need a frame of reference.

But I can dogfight much better in wonderwoman view . . . however Oleg wants the game to be playable by all:

Hardcore simmers and people just looking for something a tad more realistic than arcade . . .

I would like it if there was an option for semi transparent / translucent cockpits like other's have been asking.



In regarding cockpits . . . I like the way IL-2 is . . . Other pilots can see you but in cockpit view you can't see yourself.


Also people have been asking for first person bail outs as opposed to seeing it 3rd person. I would like to have both . . .


Pilots are coming along great.

ANd thanks for the Friday updates.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by ECV56_Lancelot

Don´t worry Weasel, with the exception of Insuber post, i think nobody was flaming you.

[Eldur]

Originally Posted by Lucas_From_Hell

People aren't really thinking of business here: the more options, the better (for the game and for sales). It was the same on that dicussion about pilot in-cockpit (I know it won't happen, but it can be used to demonstrate the ideology): if you can make two options to please two different groups, do it. Just because it doesn't please YOU it doesn't mean that the idea is stupid and useless. Someone will use it (otherwise they wouldn't be requesting and discussing the subject).

Right. I might also suggest something regarding the "wonder woman view". It would be great if there would be split options. One option that allows the use of simple gauges and another that allows rotating through normal cockpit, half transparent cockpit, no cockpit and "guncam view". The simple gauges could show lots of information. It should be possible to see all information that you normally could read in the cockpit gauges.
I think Rise of Flight has pretty good simple gauges.



I love the red limit thing in the RPM gauge. Getting in there can seize the engine. The cool thing about it: The limit changes depending on the engine temperature. Actually you can see what the max RPM is for a cold engine for example. You actually have to warm it up. The compass also shows the wind direction, if there's wind. The small gauge in the upper row center just shows the radiator flap position, throttle and mixture.

Originally Posted by Insuber

Nice idea, that would be a great training tool to understand aces' techniques ... but what about privacy ? (kidding of course)

It could be a selectable option of the server "view from others' cockpits", why not ?

Something like Ctrl+F2, just with F1
Asked for that ages ago. Would be great.

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

There is minimal dots 2x2 pixels in Il-2. They are always the same minmal size doesn't matter which resolution using players as well as they disapearing also on one the same distance with any resolution.

That makes the problem. Higher resolution = the pixels are smaller and therefore harder to see. I kept flying at 1024x768 for that reason, online and offline. Until Vista 64 forced me to use my desktop resolution as there's absolutely no fix for the good old 60Hz bug in x64. At least for Il-2 (=OpenGL it just won't work, other DX games are fine). And I have a hard time spotting things now with just 1280x960. 1600x1200 makes me virtually blind.
And I think the dots are just 1x2 pixels (mostly one dark and one bright next to each other). Was a 2x2 black dot back in the old Il-2 though.

Originally Posted by Foo'bar

Drop tanks explode? Ah...

Normally they shouldn't. But under certain circumstances yes. When I drop a half-full tank and some bombs at the same time (and the don't get separated too much on their way down), the bomb explosion should make the fuel burn/explode, increasing the power of destruction. The same goes for shooting incendiaries or HE shells into the tank when it's still on the plane.