Realistic just "isnt"

[Panzergranate]

All the modes hav etheir pro and cons.....

For instance it is totally impossible to pull any of the classic dogfight moves in simulator mode. Try pulling a "Retournment", "Immelmann Turn", "Slip-Turn", etc. without your aircraft freaking out.

Looking around for targets is a pain due to the simple fact that players are restricted to tunnel vison because we're limited to TV screens. Having to push the right stick down to gaze around (disabling use of the rudder and throttle) screws up any hope of pulling off some clever acrobatic maneuver whilst keeping an eye on another aircraft is impossible.

Another problem with simulator mode is that any hit on a control surface makes aircraft freak out, and as we all tend to end up right next to the deck in dogfights, we all tend to prang before we manage to regain control. The downside of this is that nobody is credited for the kill and some folk acuse other of crashing on purpose to deny a kill.

The lack of a target following ability (only if the target is in view from the cockpit) is what puts most folks of simulator mode, Flying iwith tunnel vison is a pain. The damage model and flying is better though.

In arcade everything is fly by wire but all the classic dogfight acrobatics can be performed. The combat s at a faster pace and players can focus on marksmanship, tactics and dogfighting skills. On the down side all aircraft are harder to shoot down than in realistic and simulator mode unless a hit on the pilot is achieved, which is kind of difficult on aircraft with rear armour on the pilot's seat.

Realistic combines some of the damage model and handling properties of simulator mode with the target following of arcade.

The same problems of players loosing control of aircraft and pranging when hit still exists though and this wouldn't be a problem if everybody flew at the historical altitudes that dogfights were fought at.

To sum up, arcade mode is there for those who like to try out all those dofight maneuvers from history channel historical airbattles and from books, realistic is there for those who want a more realistic damage model and simulator is there for those who want air combat to be a totally masochistical experience, only be able to fly in shaky circles (because anything else will freak the aircraft out) and enjoy crashing a lot, etc.

Actually shooting down another aircraft is quite an achievement in simulator though usually through luck than skill.

Simulator mode is still fun though, but not for serious dogfighting in.

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by Panzergranate

All the modes hav etheir pro and cons.....

For instance it is totally impossible to pull any of the classic dogfight moves in simulator mode. Try pulling a "Retournment", "Immelmann Turn", "Slip-Turn", etc. without your aircraft freaking out. Your doing something wrong, these moves are fairly easy on sim mode!! change your setting perhaps?

Looking around for targets is a pain due to the simple fact that players are restricted to tunnel vison because we're limited to TV screens. Having to push the right stick down to gaze around (disabling use of the rudder and throttle) screws up any hope of pulling off some clever acrobatic maneuver whilst keeping an eye on another aircraft is impossible. As stated above - use a joystick, makes this SO MUCH easier

Another problem with simulator mode is that any hit on a control surface makes aircraft freak out, and as we all tend to end up right next to the deck in dogfights, we all tend to prang before we manage to regain control. The downside of this is that nobody is credited for the kill and some folk acuse other of crashing on purpose to deny a kill. This is the same on any difficulty, so not a pro/con of any, but a con of all, the patch will fix it

The lack of a target following ability (only if the target is in view from the cockpit) is what puts most folks of simulator mode, Flying iwith tunnel vison is a pain. The damage model and flying is better though. hence the reason its sim!! you do all the hard work yourself without great big arrows telling you where to go!

In arcade everything is fly by wire but all the classic dogfight acrobatics can be performed. The combat s at a faster pace and players can focus on marksmanship, tactics and dogfighting skills. On the down side all aircraft are harder to shoot down than in realistic and simulator mode unless a hit on the pilot is achieved, which is kind of difficult on aircraft with rear armour on the pilot's seat. The moves can be pulled of in any difficulty!! again, your doing something wronf if you cant do them!! and the action is MUCH FASTER PACED on sim mode because its more intense, your on the edge of your seat constantly

to be honest i find damage in realisic and sim the same!! you get hit, you crash!! simple.

The same problems of players loosing control of aircraft and pranging when hit still exists though and this wouldn't be a problem if everybody flew at the historical altitudes that dogfights were fought at. then were not flying the way we want!!

To sum up, arcade mode is there for those who like to try out all those dofight maneuvers from history channel historical airbattles and from books, realistic is there for those who want a more realistic damage model and simulator is there for those who want air combat to be a totally masochistical experience, only be able to fly in shaky circles (because anything else will freak the aircraft out) and enjoy crashing a lot, etc. your kidding right?? arcade is crap, period! the moves can be done on all settings.

Actually shooting down another aircraft is quite an achievement in simulator though usually through luck than skill. luck?? bollocks its luck!! its SKILL!! because you track a target, you chase him and you kill him, all with full real settings, and limited ammo!! how you establish its luck more than anything is beyond me!! you belittle everyone who plays sim with this comment mate, its a bit harsh

Simulator mode is still fun though, but not for serious dogfighting in. HUH? arcade is crap, relistic could be called "fun" where as sim is for the serious dogfighting!! its where the skill is at and the tension.

Panzer, have you been drinking?

i find most of the above to be pure crap. Sorry mate.

[Panzergranate]

On the using the map to find the enemy and navigate, in the "Red Baron" PC flight simulators players have to use a reproduction WW1 paper map and try to navigate from circling over the ground and trying to figure out where they are in realation to the target they're supposed to be attacking.

Avoiding flying over enemy FlaK batteries, aierodromes, etc.

There is no "you are here" map button in Red Baron, players have to learn to navigate.

And of top of this players have to cope with the unstability / fragility of whatever aircraft they're flying, changing weather, cross winds, look out for enemy fighters, fuel and oil guages.... it makes realistic and simulator mode in BOP look tame.

Now if a WW2 sim had all of that Foz would be even happier.

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by Panzergranate

On the using the map to find the enemy and navigate, in the "Red Baron" PC flight simulators players have to use a reproduction WW1 paper map and try to navigate from circling over the ground and trying to figure out where they are in realation to the target they're supposed to be attacking.

Avoiding flying over enemy FlaK batteries, aierodromes, etc.

There is no "you are here" map button in Red Baron, players have to learn to navigate.

And of top of this players have to cope with the unstability / fragility of whatever aircraft they're flying, changing weather, cross winds, look out for enemy fighters, fuel and oil guages.... it makes realistic and simulator mode in BOP look tame.

Now if a WW2 sim had all of that Foz would be even happier.

Oh the joys of having a PC mate

but sadly as games get better the price of a good pc goes up to and its just getting ridiculous now, i'll just stick to the 360 for the near future. Games like the above though mate are superb!! makes it so much more of a challenge.

[Leweegibo]

Originally Posted by Panzergranate

All the modes hav etheir pro and cons.....
Simulator mode is still fun though, but not for serious dogfighting in.

hahaha what?? Erm..um.. It is the ONLY mode for serious dogfighting!

I cannot bring myself to fly anything other sim in any modes, takes away the challenge and IMO the point of the game...I bought Heroes Over Europe for the 30 kill a mission frenzies!